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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein with gene and Chris in the

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power cast this week we're going to

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return to the focus on UFOs and we're

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going to be meeting up with Chris

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Bukowski later on in the show to talk

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about a UFO flap in Canada one of the

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biggest flaps ever so when people say

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that we're not seeing UFOs anymore

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obviously that's not true one under the

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other year I think 2012 they had quite a

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number of UFO sightings in the United

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States according to MUFON of course I

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don't know if we could believe MUFON

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more because they lent their name to

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that hangar one show you've seen hangar

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1 yes I have I've seen a couple episodes

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the last episode on hot spots I was a

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little bit taken aback they used a bunch

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of my material didn't credit me which is

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what can you do some of my my ideas and

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formulas for identifying hot spot

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regions I think some of my my

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information was cherry picked but I

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think for the most part it's it's really

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not that well done Jan Harsin the the

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international director of MUFON has been

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last lead into doing this show and I

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just I feel that you know again it's a

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lot of things we lost over there's a lot

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of generalizations going on I don't

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really think that this show is digging

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deeply enough into the subjects that

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they're trying to cover and you know

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there's just a lot of it's it's a lot of

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pumping that pop culture is sort of I

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don't know this weird sort of cultural I

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don't know what the term would be gene

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it's it's it's like there it it's like

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mythologizing the subject to some degree

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even more so than it already is and

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they're perpetuating I think some of

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these these foregone conclusions by by

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the entertainment industry and they're

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keep pumping out this mean there there

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meme glomming on to ramen on meme

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glomming you mean bobbing there you go

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let's glom on let's throw a bunch of

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memes at the wall and see what sticks

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and which one say ow you know the thing

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that bothered me when I was reading

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refused a bit the fact that they bring

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up manufactured documents they create

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their own versions of alleged official

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documents yeah and what's this hangar

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one I mean this is also it's all fantasy

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there is no hangar 1 there there are no

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boxes of files like that to my knowledge

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I mean I the whole thing has this veneer

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of fantasy which I find rather

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disingenuous it's really creating this

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whole myth around

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MUFON are perpetuating the myth around

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MUFON that you can just go somewhere and

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start digging into boxes of files

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last I heard all the files went up you

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know in boxes and Walt and just his

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basement or in his garage you know for

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years I was joking heck of a tornado

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ever hit Seguin Texas

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we'd have MUFON reports spread all

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across the the Midwest you know and if

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they're fabricating the location and and

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they're they're building up this whole

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mystique about you know this repository

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of documents if that's so how come how

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come for decades no one was able to pull

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reports out of you MUFON and even now

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with with the digitization process that

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completed it's it's virtually impossible

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to really pull anything out of there

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unless you have real specific search

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terms and it's just a very cumbersome

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retrieval process that you need to go

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through on their website to actually you

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know access hangar one and all the data

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in there and it's you know in this John

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venturi who's the I think State Director

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of Pennsylvania I mean I I'm quite a

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number of his statements that he made in

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and I don't know the thing just looks

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half-baked to me and and filled with

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filled with fantasy there's no truth to

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the rumor by the way that muffins

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website was designed by the same people

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who design healthcare.gov or the

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Maryland healthcare but you know what

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bothers me about the whole thing is that

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these UFO related shows so-called

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reality shows seem to veer more and more

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into the world of fantasy

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so hangar 1 is docudrama now if we go

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back to MUFON MUFON is supposed to be a

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serious UFO organization it's been there

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since the late 1960s and we know

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while people in the UFO field get looool

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elements from time to time lately

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they've been exploiting the woowoo

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elements and maybe of course they want

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to reach a wide audience but at the end

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of the day this is a case of selling

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their souls I assume to use the MUFON

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name they received a check but I would

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think before taking that check they

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would have a few ground rules and

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doesn't look like they did yeah you know

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it's Hollywood men and their job and

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their business is entertainment and the

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stuff that happens in between the you

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know the clocks of commercials is filler

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selling soap it's selling you know

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whatever American product inspired

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fantasy that is paying the bills around

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the production company's office and in

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the in the network and you know I I

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really feel that that Jan should exert

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some you know more influence here and

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really kind of put the thumbscrews on

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these writers you know ok the hang on

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of I don't know fantasize and and

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mythologize that but it's just the

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information is just coming across it's

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not doing the subject I think justice

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and it's denigrating it and and like I

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said before it's it just seems to be it

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seems to be

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anybody that knows anything about the

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the field of ufology can listen to some

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of the sound bytes and just in just

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scratch Larry hasn't go how much they

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pay these people to say this stuff it's

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just I don't know it's it's a little

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disheartening to me it's enough to say

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I'm gonna give it up which a lot of

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people do a lot of people in the UFO

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field I think find it at the end of the

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day just not worth participating there

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you go by the way I'm looking over here

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different sales figures and I see since

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you've done this long number of public

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appearances you're listed amongst the

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top 3,000 and sales in books at Amazon

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that doesn't sound like a lot

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thirty-five hundred thirty-six hundred

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but that's a fairly good number it went

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down to in high one thousands at one

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point I think two people may have bought

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a book you know back-to-back or

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something it's really difficult to

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determine anything from the Amazon sales

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figures in sales rankings especially

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those lists that they list at the bottom

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you number two in this list number three

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I do find it interesting though that my

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book is being is being looked at from

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science and technology a point of view

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which which is gratifying I'm not seeing

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it in the paperback version as as coming

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up in in the UFO category it's science

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math astronomy in space science is one

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accounts true crime is another one which

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i think is very accurate and then

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religion spirituality and the sub title

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would be the occult grouping of books

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and then in the Kindle version I'm

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number two in the UFO list so I'm not

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sure why not listed in the UFO list on

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the on the the hardcover part of the

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paperback the hardcopy

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but you know again they I did I've been

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doing a bunch of shows around and I did

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coast to coast a week ago and you know I

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found I think I'm finding they're less

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and less people listen to coast to coast

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live and they I think what they do is

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they you know they become a member and

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they stream it later at the

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leisure and I think this is pulling out

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just kind of broadening out the impact

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of that appearance yeah it's funny by

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the way to get a copy you have to pay

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money to be able to subscribe to their

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podcast service not like us here at the

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power cast where the show is free and

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will always be free and there you go

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okay this week we have Chris Rutkowski

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he's going to tell us about what's going

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on in Canada about a UFO flap at a time

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and place where people were thinking

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maybe there are fewer UFO sightings and

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that is decidedly not so Chris rutkowski

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coming up next with Jean and Chris

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you're in the para cast first game

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attack of the rockets and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more and Rocco is calm that's rock

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oh it's our Ock oids calm so here's what

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the site went down it took hours before

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it returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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goes down you could lose business and if

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you have a business or personal site

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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

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806-853-9949 thousand you can't afford

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to rent with these prices imagine a 70

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by 100 foot church building for under 69

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thousand dollars with the economy

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improving and interest rate still at

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historic lows you can't afford to wait

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we're on ufo's again this week and I'm

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not talking about being on a UFO but

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covering UFOs because at a time where a

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lot of people have felt that maybe UFOs

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have gone away they haven't in 2012

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there were a lot of UFO cases in the

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United States reported by MUFON first

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move on now has that crazy TV show

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hangar 1 so you wonder what's going on

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with them and then in Canada this past

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year they had a pretty high number of

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sightings Chris Rutkowski the Canada UFO

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wave is this one of the most frequent

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number of cases yeah this is about the

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second highest number of UFO reports

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we've ever had in Canada the eleven

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hundred and eighty reports that were

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filed a reported in Canada throughout

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the entire year of 2013 the year before

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that we actually had more but we think

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that was a quite an anomalous thing

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because people were really io all hyped

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up about the whole a Mayan calender

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thing and there are a lot of people just

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reporting lights in the sky just for the

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sake of reporting lights I think so we

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tended to get a lot of cases towards the

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end of 2012 but the things seem to have

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levelled out and the reality is that the

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number of UFO reports in Canada has been

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generally increasing since we began

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doing our surveys back in the late

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nineteen

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so the trend is actually going up and we

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already have a good representation for

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2014 as well so you know the UFOs

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haven't gone away they're still out

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there and people are reporting them in

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very great numbers any cases here that

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are really unusual well I mean every

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year we go through the the Canadian UFO

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survey and pick out some cases for

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specific analysis I mean we we do the

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whole thing we find out where the most

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common reports are you know what

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province is what area of the country

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what time you know where they orange or

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blue or you know we go through a

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detailed statistical analysis and then

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we do have some conclusions that are

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evaluated for each particular case we

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each treat the cases as specific

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examples of some something unusual but

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in many cases we can't explain them we

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have probable cases we have possible

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explanations some we just don't have

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enough information about to rule one way

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or another but despite that and the fact

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is we're you know we're trying to

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explain them there's still a good

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handful of cases every year that are

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simply puzzling and well reported maybe

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the witnesses are fairly good caliber we

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have a good information on if they were

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something else we'd be able to say that

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and yet we have cases that are

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unexplained and the percentage varies

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from year to year but we're somewhere in

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the range of Oh every year that we

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simply can't explain and in 2013 there

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were some very very puzzling cases there

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was a case of a former helicopter pilot

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and two other people watched 55 zero

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orange lights moving in the southwest

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sky in pairs sort of two at a time

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following the same trajectory south to

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north I watched this sort of procession

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for about five minutes and the

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helicopter pilot was telling me you know

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I've seen a lot of things in the

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thousands of all the hours that I've

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been flying and this is just completely

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baffling it was not aircraft it was not

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satellites it was not Chinese lanterns

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it was something completely different

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and when you when you get cases like

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that from fairly good observers those

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are the ones that tend to make you sit

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up and take notice

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yeah

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Chris Chris O'Brien here welcome the

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show where exactly did that particular

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event occur that one took place in place

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called Portage la Prairie Manitoba dan

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was on September 28th 2013 about 8

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o'clock at night and Virgil Prairie is

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about straight north of the border

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between North Dakota and Minnesota so

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it's that gives people a perspective on

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where that is

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yeah that's pretty remote up there

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there's probably not much going on there

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they could possibly you know indicate

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why those lights were finding that

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particular place yeah you know again

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it's the you know these are things that

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are pretty strange and we get these

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types of reports every year there is a

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residual number of unexplained cases

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even after we try and eliminate cases

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that are aircraft satellites planes and

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fireballs and so forth and yet we get

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these reports that are just plain

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unusual so it's an interesting way of

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going through it as I say this is the

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25th year that we've been doing this

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analysis and the data is there that

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there is a real persistent UFO

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phenomenon that's going on and I

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advocate that this is a serious

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phenomenon that science should take

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another look at that you know a good

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look that hasn't been done before at the

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very least even if you just look at the

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statistical analysis there's probably a

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few good dr. Olin masters theses in here

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for straight scientists to look at that

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gets an understatement there's a poster

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at forum dr. Peric ascom calls himself

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flipper and this would be a good time to

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pose this question at the beginning of

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the show here he wants to know first of

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all there's a pattern to the 2013

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sightings and his follow-up question of

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that is where are the main sightings in

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Ontario and he gives examples near power

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plants nuclear power plants military

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bases or particular villages in the

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remote north and first let's handle that

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question and follow-up and then I'll ask

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one about BC sure well one thing we'd

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have noticed misses has been consistent

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past 25 years is that UFO sightings tend

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to follow population

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so in other words it's the tree volume

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in the forest that you need people

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around in order to see something in

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order to report something so the larger

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number of reports come from the larger

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population centers so Ontario being the

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most populous province in Canada you

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know Toronto everybody thinks of Toronto

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it's pretty pretty big city that tends

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to be the area where most of the UFO

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sightings occur certainly not all of

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them but that tends to be where most of

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them occur now there of course are some

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power plants a nuclear power plants out

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there in fact just east of Toronto there

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there's a fairly significant nuclear

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power plant but to say that that's why

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the UFOs are concentrated in the Toronto

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area is is difficult to you know to

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rationalize because the reports are

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literally all around the entire area and

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southern Ontario around Lake Ontario

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Lake Erie that that area there so I

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don't think we can say that they're

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concentrated around nuclear bases and

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and military bases we do get reports

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from military bases we do get reports

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from you know one end of the country to

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the other from the extreme south to the

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extreme north under the High Arctic from

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coast to coast from literally over one

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ocean and over the other the tram tends

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to be with population but the the

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numbers of reports are are really all

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over the place if I was to say that

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there is one particular area that stands

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out more than any other that shouldn't

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be you know be if we take into account

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population I'd actually have to say that

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the maritime areas Nova Scotia and New

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Brunswick Newfoundland that group of

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provinces on the East Coast they tend to

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get a few more cases than they should

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strictly life population because they

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didn't don't have a lot of population

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out that way why that's so I'm not sure

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but that's one trend I can identify the

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other side of the point is the other

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side of the country in British Columbia

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you're sort of gonna ask something about

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that but British Columbia has a very

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significant population of course as well

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Vancouver is there but there's a section

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of British Columbia just to the east of

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Vancouver called Surry corridor and what

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happens is as you come over the

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mountains there's a valley or series of

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valleys where ordinary aircraft have to

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in order to make the Vancouver approach

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this is part of a flight plan this is

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part of the route that the trail Chris

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rutkowski is joining us we're talking

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about Canada's UFO flap and more with

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call 800-501-7737 UFO flat

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now you were mentioning the flight paths

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they take in Vancouver Grif I wonder in

612
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passing of course whether people see a

613
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lot of things there because they film so

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many movies in Vancouver that's possible

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- yeah I mean x-files was based there

616
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for a number of years and a lot of the

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science fiction shows that we see today

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based there especially the Canadian

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dollar going down a little bit more I

620
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:43,580
think we're gonna be seeing more of that

621
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:45,770
but you know the surrey corridor is an

622
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:48,290
area where a lot of people see UFOs you

623
00:27:51,610 --> 00:27:49,910
know we can't explain some of them as

624
00:27:54,190 --> 00:27:51,620
being here perhaps you know at unusual

625
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:54,200
angles and whatnot but that tends to be

626
00:27:58,799 --> 00:27:56,030
another area where there is a higher

627
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:58,809
than normal number of reports every year

628
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do you have a solid percentage of the

629
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number of cases that traditionally

630
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:07,160
remain unexplained after you account for

631
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all the variables yes and I'm just gonna

632
00:28:16,030 --> 00:28:12,980
cheat here by by looking at my my notes

633
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:16,040
the number of cases and while there were

634
00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:19,370
14 percent that were unexplained in 2013

635
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:21,950
what that represents is

636
00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:24,169
after we take a one-pass and we don't

637
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:26,630
seem to have a good idea of what was

638
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:29,809
reported that goes into a file called

639
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the unexplained the the unknowns and

640
00:28:36,990 --> 00:28:35,390
then we go through it one more time

641
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:37,000
looking for the really high-quality

642
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:40,610
unknowns that is reports that are not

643
00:28:47,890 --> 00:28:43,370
only not just unexplained but also are

644
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,900
reported by pilots or weather observers

645
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,240
air traffic control operators whether

646
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:51,679
there's multiple witnesses whether

647
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:53,870
there's documentation whether it is

648
00:28:57,399 --> 00:28:55,610
highly investigated the witnesses were

649
00:28:59,529 --> 00:28:57,409
cooperative to the point of providing us

650
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,539
with a great deal of information and

651
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:00,799
those are sort of the cream of the crop

652
00:29:04,659 --> 00:29:02,510
and those averaged around a couple of

653
00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:04,669
percent every year the percentage of

654
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:06,590
unexplained has actually remained

655
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:08,570
relatively constant this is it's quite

656
00:29:13,810 --> 00:29:12,110
interesting that if you go back into the

657
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archives and all of our archives are

658
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online or anybody look at it if you'll

659
00:29:20,919 --> 00:29:18,559
back all the way to the 1908 1980s and

660
00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:20,929
early 90s the percentages are actually

661
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:23,960
very consistent which does suggest that

662
00:29:28,690 --> 00:29:26,510
there is a you know although people are

663
00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:28,700
continuing to misidentify things they're

664
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:30,620
also reporting some interesting cases

665
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that simply don't have an easy

666
00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:34,340
explanation and those are the ones that

667
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:36,230
we try to concentrate on we try to

668
00:29:40,899 --> 00:29:38,210
highlight those every year here's

669
00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:40,909
another question from eristic at you

670
00:29:46,029 --> 00:29:43,070
know you're talking about quality of

671
00:29:47,769 --> 00:29:46,039
cases he asked about the percentage of

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00:29:49,210 --> 00:29:47,779
cases you collected that you feel are

673
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,220
credible and that and I think you've

674
00:29:53,980 --> 00:29:51,679
answered that but what is the best case

675
00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:53,990
that stood out to you as the one case

676
00:30:01,299 --> 00:29:55,880
that gets us closer to understanding the

677
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:01,309
UFO mystery from from 2013 2013 oh I'd

678
00:30:05,019 --> 00:30:02,690
have to say there was an interesting

679
00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:05,029
report from Nova Scotia

680
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at the beginning of the year from

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January of 2013 where two children had

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been doing some tobogganing on a little

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hill just outside of a suburb of Halifax

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and they saw a large object coming at

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them over the trees they had heard a

686
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,190
beeping noise and that would that's what

687
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drew them to look into the sky and they

688
00:30:31,779 --> 00:30:29,179
said it was the object was like a

689
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massive hotel with protrusions and

690
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:34,980
windows and things sticking out and it

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00:30:40,879 --> 00:30:38,639
flew towards them over the trees zipped

692
00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:40,889
around a bit and then flew away out of

693
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,070
sight what's interesting it terrified

694
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:47,840
these kids and they were if I recall

695
00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:52,440
something like ten and seven or

696
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:54,990
something like that in age they were so

697
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,840
terrified they ran into the parents

698
00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:00,120
house and they were absolutely white and

699
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,980
I spoke with the mother of the kid and

700
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:06,240
she said you know she's never seen her

701
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:08,490
son like this before he was shaking

702
00:31:11,539 --> 00:31:09,720
they're absolutely

703
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:11,549
you know positive that this happened to

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00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:14,580
them I interviewed them and they

705
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,820
actually drew separately some some

706
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:20,159
drawings of what they had seen you know

707
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:22,620
very interesting drawings what happened

708
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:23,940
though was that because the mother was

709
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:25,529
very upset about her is she actually

710
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:27,779
called the RCMP though the Mounties came

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00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:29,880
out so the police actually came out to

712
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:32,610
investigate the report and talk to the

713
00:31:37,399 --> 00:31:34,769
kids and talk to the parents and looked

714
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:37,409
around the area and you know they took

715
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,440
it fairly seriously the mom had assured

716
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:42,690
me that you know these kids know don't

717
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:44,760
make up stories in fact she you know

718
00:31:47,899 --> 00:31:46,500
threatened them with a good tan and if

719
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:47,909
they were making up a story because they

720
00:31:52,490 --> 00:31:49,460
were getting the police involved and

721
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:52,500
they stuck by their story you know and

722
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:54,120
there's no physical evidence left from

723
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,250
this but the fact that you know we have

724
00:32:00,200 --> 00:31:58,860
impressionable kids that saw something

725
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:00,210
to the point where they told their

726
00:32:05,899 --> 00:32:03,450
parents that police became involved that

727
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:05,909
you know the stories seem to be good I

728
00:32:10,639 --> 00:32:08,279
think that that represents a pretty good

729
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:10,649
case now I mean a skeptic and just say

730
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,659
oh the kids are just making stuff up for

731
00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:14,940
fun but again the parents insist they're

732
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:16,470
not prone to this they've never done

733
00:32:20,659 --> 00:32:19,260
this before since what did they see and

734
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:20,669
I think that question still remains

735
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,130
regardless of whether you believe it or

736
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:24,960
disbelieve it it's a pretty odd

737
00:32:29,629 --> 00:32:27,510
description of a craft that looked like

738
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:29,639
the flying hotel with you know

739
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:32,370
protrusions sticking out what do you

740
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,870
make of that have you had any other

741
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:35,279
reports from the area that would

742
00:32:39,379 --> 00:32:37,710
indicate that this thing have been seen

743
00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:39,389
by others or were there any

744
00:32:44,869 --> 00:32:42,059
corroborating reports or a wave going on

745
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:44,879
at the time or anything well the the

746
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,080
area a Halifax area Nova Scotia has had

747
00:32:53,170 --> 00:32:50,480
quite a number of unusual reports over

748
00:32:55,150 --> 00:32:53,180
the years at the time at the beginning

749
00:32:57,010 --> 00:32:55,160
of January we did have a quite a large

750
00:33:01,240 --> 00:32:57,020
chunk of reports as many as a hundred

751
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:01,250
UFO reports from that area of Canada and

752
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:03,050
a very short period of time in January

753
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:06,110
this description of the hotel of the boy

754
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,610
I was describing you know an object that

755
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:08,960
was very very large with a lot of

756
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,330
windows in it and lights coming out of

757
00:33:16,390 --> 00:33:14,000
the windows so I mean his description of

758
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,400
a hotel is at least as good as anything

759
00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:18,080
else that I can imagine if I had seen

760
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:20,270
something flying overhead of some people

761
00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:22,850
might use the term mothership I mean in

762
00:33:27,850 --> 00:33:25,580
his he'd never imagined that type of

763
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:27,860
term so in his case he reported it as a

764
00:33:32,530 --> 00:33:30,050
flying hotel well that certainly would

765
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:32,540
fit with the mothership categorization

766
00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:35,750
yeah absolutely yeah amongst all the

767
00:33:41,290 --> 00:33:38,780
cases do you find any number of hoaxes

768
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:41,300
certainly the skeptics will say that if

769
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:44,360
the objects are not being misidentified

770
00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:46,100
somehow I don't know about this flying

771
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:48,380
hotel but it could have been other than

772
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:49,250
what it was

773
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:51,410
do you find any evidence of people

774
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:54,290
deliberately playing hoaxes like The

775
00:33:57,790 --> 00:33:56,090
Guardian case I think from what the

776
00:34:00,010 --> 00:33:57,800
early nineties remember that one yeah

777
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:00,020
well I mean the Guardian is a good

778
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:02,150
example to hold out as a as a classic

779
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:05,210
folks the reality is because we can

780
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:07,910
actually take all our the UFO data in

781
00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:10,250
this eleven hundred and change that's

782
00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:13,250
reported every year and for the most

783
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:15,980
part we can either assign a category of

784
00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:18,410
probable explanation possible

785
00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:20,840
explanation insufficient info and so

786
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,960
forth we know that in a lot of cases in

787
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:25,280
fact most of the cases there was an

788
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:27,770
object in the sky to be seen I mean we

789
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:30,410
have multiple reports multiple witnesses

790
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:33,050
if a person reports seeing a light

791
00:34:36,490 --> 00:34:34,820
moving around if we can't explain it

792
00:34:38,650 --> 00:34:36,500
eventually as a star or satellite or

793
00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:38,660
plane or whatever we know there actually

794
00:34:42,370 --> 00:34:40,280
was something there so there was no hoax

795
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,380
involved there simply reporting

796
00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:44,480
something in the sky the number of

797
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:46,280
actual hoaxes is where people are you

798
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:48,350
know pulling the wool over our eyes is

799
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:51,320
surprisingly very small I mean you know

800
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:53,929
we can never rule it out but you have to

801
00:34:58,060 --> 00:34:55,910
think in terms of what's the motive what

802
00:35:01,420 --> 00:34:58,070
possible reason could there be for

803
00:35:02,859 --> 00:35:01,430
making this story up if there are

804
00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:02,869
reading witnesses if there are other

805
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:06,020
people who had seen similar things you

806
00:35:09,609 --> 00:35:07,490
know that tends to discount the hoax

807
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:09,619
theory I do know that there's another

808
00:35:13,690 --> 00:35:11,569
Internet hoax coming up I think this

809
00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:13,700
weekend or early next week that's been

810
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:16,040
advertised and you follow just to have

811
00:35:19,569 --> 00:35:17,569
to you know be on the lookout for that

812
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:19,579
but now that's gonna be when the show is

813
00:35:27,069 --> 00:35:21,770
heard can you tell us what this hoax is

814
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:27,079
about well a number of years ago there

815
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:32,210
have been a planned hoax where people

816
00:35:36,849 --> 00:35:34,970
have used social media to say listen

817
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:36,859
everybody on this certain day at a

818
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:38,930
certain time I want you to report to the

819
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various agencies and UFO groups and to

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whoever that you had seen a UFO and this

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is the description we want you to use

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you know it's a disk shape with a orange

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light or something and making a noise

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moving in a certain direction and we

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want you all to report it happening at

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the same time and what happened was sure

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enough we got not a lot maybe 40 or 50

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reports that all that evening across

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Canada and parts of North America I

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think it was pretty widespread but

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because the reports were so similar and

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then after follow-up because we simply

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don't accept the reports of base value

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we try to do some follow-up when we

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tried to follow up with some of the

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people who had reported it

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they were either reluctant or they we

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found out they were using spoofed IDs

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and things like that it was pretty

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simple to figure out that this was an

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Internet hoax I'll tell you what we'll

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especially last year when there were

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quite a number of sightings and we were

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going into so-called Internet hoaxes I

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tend to think though that when people

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are going to perpetrate a hoax they just

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create a fake photo and they stick it up

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on YouTube don't they well there is a

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lot of that as a matter of fact the you

961
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know we're getting a lot more videos and

962
00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:50,810
photos these days from people reporting

963
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:53,240
UFOs it's actually pretty common to to

964
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:55,130
be getting I mean was it questions from

965
00:42:00,310 --> 00:41:58,130
skeptics and debunkers is that well you

966
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:00,320
know people are seeing so many UFOs when

967
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:01,910
we get more photos of them why don't we

968
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you know have the smoking gun evidence

969
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:05,750
and so forth well the reality is we get

970
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:08,089
a lot of photos and videos but if you've

971
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ever tried to use your your iPhone

972
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:13,099
camera to take a photograph of something

973
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:15,710
moving in the distance in the night sky

974
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you quickly realize that it's really

975
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quite useless the resolution is simply

976
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not good enough even with a standard

977
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camera with a film camera if you know if

978
00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:28,400
there's a distant light moving in the

979
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:30,320
sky you try and take a photograph you're

980
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:31,849
not gonna be getting very much the same

981
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:33,560
thing with video if you're gonna be

982
00:42:37,089 --> 00:42:34,970
trying to get a video of a distant

983
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:37,099
object moving in the sky you'll get a

984
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:39,740
lot of black and maybe an occasional

985
00:42:46,030 --> 00:42:42,530
glimpse of a white dot somewhere in the

986
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:46,040
distance so basically speaking here the

987
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:48,770
UFO would have to be really close it

988
00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:51,170
would have to possibly be daylight to

989
00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:53,060
capture a really good image on your

990
00:42:59,920 --> 00:42:55,940
iPhone absolutely and when we do get

991
00:43:02,680 --> 00:42:59,930
those videos inevitably there is some

992
00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:02,690
question of of their of the fact that

993
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:03,950
their hopes is I mean we have baguettes

994
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:05,810
you know giant structured flying saucer

995
00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:08,810
objects moving within a you know you

996
00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:10,040
know a few hundred feet of a witness

997
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:11,780
zipping around and things like that

998
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:12,450
the

999
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:14,910
are pretty great that somebody's used

1000
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:18,329
some some you know Video Toaster to to

1001
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:19,770
come up with the image and that's

1002
00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:22,290
unfortunate but they're easy to identify

1003
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:25,020
and I think the reality is that most

1004
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:26,820
serious ufologists in ceded it serious

1005
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:28,859
UFO researchers don't take anything at

1006
00:43:34,339 --> 00:43:31,800
face value but you know I it's very

1007
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:34,349
thank you very much folks yeah well

1008
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:36,150
there are some there's a number that do

1009
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:38,250
take it at face value and start free

1010
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,960
posting it around and you know that gets

1011
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:42,000
into some dicey things but for the most

1012
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,700
part when somebody you know gives us a

1013
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:46,680
video we say thank you very much can you

1014
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,300
provide us with more information can you

1015
00:43:52,339 --> 00:43:49,920
take us back to the spot where this was

1016
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:52,349
can we look at your camera I mean

1017
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:56,250
there's a whole series of processes that

1018
00:44:02,000 --> 00:43:58,890
are involved before we can say yes this

1019
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:02,010
absolutely was a a genuine UFO it

1020
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:04,020
happens very very infrequently I mean

1021
00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:05,970
some people are out there too the hoax

1022
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:08,790
and and others just want to get us to

1023
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:10,440
help them understand what they've seen

1024
00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:13,710
you know the the most of the the people

1025
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,230
who report UFOs are simply looking for

1026
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:18,960
some validation that they're not crazy

1027
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,390
you know I really did see this you know

1028
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:23,339
can you help me understand what it was

1029
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:26,970
that I've experienced oftentimes all you

1030
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:29,720
have to do is listen to the audio and

1031
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:37,710
you detect bad acting what do you think

1032
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,060
of these some of these websites that

1033
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:41,520
have sprung up with with many tens of

1034
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:43,859
thousands of subscribers that have you

1035
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:46,740
know maybe one or two decent you know

1036
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,780
interesting clips that are surrounded by

1037
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:51,599
dozens and dozens and dozens of obvious

1038
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:55,290
hoaxes and yet all these all these clips

1039
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:57,089
are given the same amount of gravitas

1040
00:45:02,300 --> 00:44:59,490
what do you think about that and how

1041
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:02,310
this may be you know mythologizing

1042
00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:04,170
further this whole subject

1043
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:06,230
oh yeah there's no question that this is

1044
00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:09,060
really putting in people's minds that

1045
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:12,630
there's a lot more out there than there

1046
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:15,420
really is in terms of the videos I mean

1047
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:17,460
if you get a video and you check the

1048
00:45:21,020 --> 00:45:19,470
poster and you see the person has you

1049
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,030
know three or four hundred additional

1050
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:24,240
UFO videos then you have to suspect that

1051
00:45:26,380 --> 00:45:25,410
there might be a motive behind the

1052
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:26,390
person is posting

1053
00:45:30,670 --> 00:45:28,310
and the fact that there's a lot of sites

1054
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:30,680
that simply post all sorts of nonsense

1055
00:45:35,350 --> 00:45:33,530
and have so many subscribers attest to

1056
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:35,360
the fact that there is a real growing

1057
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:39,830
desire among people everywhere or some

1058
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:42,230
real information that they're looking

1059
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:44,180
for some answers they're seeking the

1060
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:45,980
truth they really don't have the

1061
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,950
resources available to critically

1062
00:45:53,410 --> 00:45:51,200
analyze what is really going on and the

1063
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:53,420
stuff that is you know a little bit

1064
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:55,640
dicey it's and the trouble is there's

1065
00:46:01,840 --> 00:45:58,130
there's no one who speaks with authority

1066
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:01,850
about UFOs anymore and that's a

1067
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:04,010
consequence of the nature of who we are

1068
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:06,110
and I mean back a number of years ago

1069
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:08,330
when we have Professor Joseph Allen

1070
00:46:12,370 --> 00:46:10,970
Hynek he was considered the authority on

1071
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:12,380
UFOs he's the guy who was in Close

1072
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:14,450
Encounters of the Third Kind he founded

1073
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:16,850
the Center for UFO studies he appeared

1074
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:19,270
on so many TV shows and radio shows and

1075
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:22,070
whatnot he was sort of you know the

1076
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,630
spokesperson for all of you follow

1077
00:46:27,730 --> 00:46:26,480
g-value follow G is is fractured to the

1078
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:27,740
point where you know there's somebody

1079
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,080
who's a who it's an abduction research

1080
00:46:33,730 --> 00:46:31,760
or someone who's a prop Circle

1081
00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:33,740
researchers someone who studies or

1082
00:46:39,310 --> 00:46:36,230
someone who studies spiritualistic stuff

1083
00:46:41,470 --> 00:46:39,320
and even within those categories there's

1084
00:46:44,290 --> 00:46:41,480
a lot of people of different quality and

1085
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:44,300
and approaches because there's no real

1086
00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:46,910
place to gain authoritative knowledge

1087
00:46:53,770 --> 00:46:50,600
about UFOs I mean you can't go to you

1088
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,780
know Duke University and get a degree in

1089
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:56,240
ufology you know lord knows Duke could

1090
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,810
use the help

1091
00:47:00,580 --> 00:46:58,880
but that's that's something that we

1092
00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:00,590
don't have so anybody can claim that

1093
00:47:06,070 --> 00:47:02,600
they have credentials or expertise and

1094
00:47:09,310 --> 00:47:06,080
in in UFOs and who are you to say that

1095
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:09,320
that they are there's no degree there's

1096
00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:11,690
no credentials you don't even need a

1097
00:47:17,110 --> 00:47:14,750
license in your jurisdiction to be a UFO

1098
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:17,120
investigator and in this segment before

1099
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:19,010
this Chris and I were talking about the

1100
00:47:24,430 --> 00:47:22,190
fact that some of these nationally or

1101
00:47:27,730 --> 00:47:24,440
internationally televised TV reality

1102
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:27,740
shows about UFOs they take sometimes

1103
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,160
real events and they exaggerate them or

1104
00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:32,960
they just make things up and we're

1105
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:35,380
talking about a specific show now called

1106
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:39,200
hangar one have you seen it we don't get

1107
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:39,850
it up

1108
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:41,170
but I've heard all about it I've seen

1109
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:44,380
some clips on YouTube so I dunno what

1110
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:45,730
you're talking about

1111
00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:47,410
there's an interesting spoof of it

1112
00:47:52,350 --> 00:47:49,750
already it's on YouTube which is which

1113
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:52,360
is quite amusing - is it is true they

1114
00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:54,490
tend to present a lot of things that as

1115
00:47:59,220 --> 00:47:57,160
if they're fact but you know you really

1116
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,230
have to have to question where are they

1117
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:00,880
getting this information I mean who

1118
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:02,710
founds a great organization you know

1119
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:05,590
I've I've spoken after the National

1120
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,730
Conference doesn't have a lot of friends

1121
00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:09,280
who are you know in the ranks of MUFON

1122
00:48:15,390 --> 00:48:12,040
but the reality is there's people who

1123
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:15,400
belong to move button who are you know

1124
00:48:20,250 --> 00:48:18,550
no more informed about UFOs as the

1125
00:48:22,050 --> 00:48:20,260
average person you live with next door

1126
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:22,060
and then there's people who have a

1127
00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:23,650
number of degrees and have studied the

1128
00:48:28,830 --> 00:48:25,900
phenomenon for many many years and both

1129
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:28,840
of them are often trotted out as experts

1130
00:48:34,140 --> 00:48:31,330
in one thing or another and you know

1131
00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:34,150
it's not just a hangar one there's a

1132
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:36,220
program called ghost encounters which I

1133
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:38,650
was involved with just a few months ago

1134
00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:40,980
which which aired in the States and

1135
00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:43,900
there's a whole series of beautiful

1136
00:48:49,290 --> 00:48:46,300
shows you know hunting for them and so

1137
00:48:51,870 --> 00:48:49,300
forth and I think the point is that some

1138
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:51,880
of these shows do adjust us in raising

1139
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:53,710
awareness of the subject they do get

1140
00:48:59,100 --> 00:48:56,800
people thinking they do you know bring

1141
00:49:01,530 --> 00:48:59,110
up some interesting points and I think

1142
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:01,540
if people watch those shows with the

1143
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,610
idea of generating more interest I want

1144
00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:04,960
to find out more or maybe there's a

1145
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:07,900
website that I can go to to learn more

1146
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:10,090
both of the cases if you look at it the

1147
00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:13,030
shows that way that's fine but if all

1148
00:49:17,420 --> 00:49:14,590
you're going by is what has been

1149
00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:17,430
presented on television you know I

1150
00:49:21,590 --> 00:49:19,420
that's the problem people are just

1151
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:21,600
simply accepting too easily and quickly

1152
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:25,390
well I I also think that the increase in

1153
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:29,280
media coverage has the almost a an

1154
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:32,320
effective having people be really

1155
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:35,080
excited about the subject and then you

1156
00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:38,890
tend to see a blossoming of reports that

1157
00:49:43,340 --> 00:49:41,380
show up that are from real you know

1158
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:43,350
untrained observers who are

1159
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:45,750
misconstruing you know mundane uh

1160
00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:48,670
airport land airplane landing lights for

1161
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:50,590
instance or lit up cabins and private

1162
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:53,570
planes at night and it does have a habit

1163
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:56,030
I think the media coverage that is has a

1164
00:50:02,830 --> 00:49:59,920
an effect of creating a lot of

1165
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:02,840
misidentified reports and increasing

1166
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:04,370
that and then that has the effect of

1167
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:06,050
making it appear that there's really

1168
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:09,920
more going on then possibly there is in

1169
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:13,280
terms of true of true foes for lack of a

1170
00:50:20,290 --> 00:50:18,200
better term is interesting it has to do

1171
00:50:21,850 --> 00:50:20,300
about Native Americans in Canada they

1172
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:21,860
the question comes from team

1173
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:25,760
sheepsquatch from thread at forum dr.

1174
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:28,480
Perik asked calm and he wants to know

1175
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,190
how many sightings are being reported by

1176
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:34,400
your ever-growing native population up

1177
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,110
there and I he says I think a few years

1178
00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:37,520
ago that number hit over a million for

1179
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:39,500
the first time and he's asking this

1180
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:41,600
because he thinks the actual number of

1181
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:43,840
sightings could be greater than thought

1182
00:50:49,450 --> 00:50:47,570
over area areas where natives congregate

1183
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:49,460
and live and he says Native Americans

1184
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:51,170
are often reluctant to talk to outsiders

1185
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:52,490
and they live in some of the most remote

1186
00:50:57,610 --> 00:50:54,770
areas there I have have you seen any

1187
00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:57,620
sort of correlation over some of the

1188
00:51:05,860 --> 00:50:59,450
more remote areas where where native

1189
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:05,870
peoples live well I'd have to say not

1190
00:51:10,090 --> 00:51:08,720
especially but there's a number of

1191
00:51:13,950 --> 00:51:10,100
reasons for that number one being the

1192
00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:13,960
population again it's a a lot of the

1193
00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:17,030
first nations reserves are in isolated

1194
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,460
areas and are north let's leave it here

1195
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:21,200
and we're gonna do the break and then

1196
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:22,250
we'll get back to the rest of this

1197
00:51:28,810 --> 00:51:25,310
answer okay all right we have Chris

1198
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:28,820
rutkowski focusing on the UFO wave in

1199
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:31,190
Canada and a lot more if gene and Chris

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[Applause]

1261
00:54:03,350 --> 00:53:59,050
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1262
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:03,360
standard of paranormal radio and now

1263
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:12,130
here's Jane Steinberg alright so let's

1264
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,810
look at this here now you were starting

1265
00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:16,200
to point out that these people live in

1266
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,980
areas that are not well-traveled maybe

1267
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:22,720
they don't even have internet access do

1268
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:25,210
they actually in some areas they do not

1269
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:28,990
but it they are pretty isolated and yet

1270
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:31,270
we do get reports from there in fact you

1271
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:32,650
were just speaking earlier about

1272
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:36,370
television shows there was a TV show

1273
00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:41,050
about UFOs specifically seen and

1274
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:43,420
experienced by First Nations people in

1275
00:54:49,020 --> 00:54:46,150
the far north it was produced by First

1276
00:54:52,050 --> 00:54:49,030
Nations and indigenous people a

1277
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:52,060
television show here in Canada and

1278
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:53,890
focused on an area around James Bay

1279
00:55:00,030 --> 00:54:56,670
which is sort of the southern tip of

1280
00:55:02,850 --> 00:55:00,040
Hudson Bay that the main Bay in the in

1281
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:02,860
the far north and what happened is that

1282
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:05,950
is that the province that is most part

1283
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:08,920
of that started running transmission

1284
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:10,750
lines they created what's called James

1285
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,990
Bay power plant and there's a very very

1286
00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:15,520
large hydroelectric dams and power

1287
00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:17,740
systems in the far north around the

1288
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:19,660
shore of the bay which is part of the

1289
00:55:24,060 --> 00:55:22,540
Arctic Ocean and when they did that they

1290
00:55:26,310 --> 00:55:24,070
have to you know sort of open up the

1291
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:26,320
area and it had a lot more access they

1292
00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:28,180
put in roads and so forth

1293
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:30,190
as they did they started having better

1294
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:31,510
relationships with some of the

1295
00:55:34,890 --> 00:55:33,310
indigenous people in the far north who

1296
00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:34,900
started telling them all sorts of

1297
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:36,700
interesting stories about experiences

1298
00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:38,530
they've had with regard to UFOs and

1299
00:55:43,530 --> 00:55:41,380
encountering aliens and so forth and the

1300
00:55:45,630 --> 00:55:43,540
show you know they they used me as a

1301
00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:45,640
consultant and I worked with them on it

1302
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:47,620
and is easily one of the best TV shows

1303
00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:50,530
ever on UFOs and who knows whether the

1304
00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:52,360
rest of North America will get a chance

1305
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:54,700
to ever see it it was called Indians and

1306
00:56:01,410 --> 00:55:58,140
aliens and it really dealt in a very

1307
00:56:02,850 --> 00:56:01,420
spiritual way about UFOs and the

1308
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,860
experiences of some of the people

1309
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:05,440
including elders who had seen some

1310
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:08,500
remarkable things and the impression

1311
00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:10,270
I got from speaking with some of the

1312
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:11,560
producers and some of the people

1313
00:56:16,830 --> 00:56:14,050
involved where that there are a lot more

1314
00:56:18,780 --> 00:56:16,840
stories that you know just like the

1315
00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:18,790
poster had said that are simply not

1316
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:20,740
being reported for one reason or another

1317
00:56:26,430 --> 00:56:23,770
part of it is a language barrier part of

1318
00:56:28,050 --> 00:56:26,440
it is the isolation and in fact I mean

1319
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:28,060
we're talking isolated where it takes

1320
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:31,960
you know 10 or 12 hours just to get up

1321
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:33,940
there on a road with no other towns or

1322
00:56:38,130 --> 00:56:35,830
stops along the way and things like that

1323
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:38,140
on a gravel road so we're talking very

1324
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:40,210
very isolated even flying up there is

1325
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:42,130
not great because the weather is so

1326
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:43,990
lousy you know I think there probably

1327
00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:47,160
are a lot more cases in general that are

1328
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:50,200
unreported in fact you know Heineken

1329
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:53,530
Friedman both did some general testing

1330
00:56:56,790 --> 00:56:54,970
of audiences you know how many people

1331
00:56:58,590 --> 00:56:56,800
have seen UFOs and of you how many

1332
00:57:00,960 --> 00:56:58,600
reported them and it was found that you

1333
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:00,970
know 10% of the population believe

1334
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:03,940
they've seen UFOs and of those a small

1335
00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:06,370
percentage likely under 10% ever report

1336
00:57:09,570 --> 00:57:07,660
them and that's in the general

1337
00:57:10,530 --> 00:57:09,580
population so when you'd extend things

1338
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,540
into the far north

1339
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:12,880
I mean isolated areas I suspect that the

1340
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,970
numbers drop off and yet we do get some

1341
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:17,920
interesting cases reported from the far

1342
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:20,380
north from time to time and those are

1343
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:23,530
really fascinating you know some of your

1344
00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:25,570
listeners might been familiar with a

1345
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:28,270
case in the Yukon back a number of years

1346
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:30,610
ago that was reported which just seemed

1347
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:31,690
like quite a lot of people that's

1348
00:57:35,940 --> 00:57:33,730
actually not as isolated as their

1349
00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:35,950
communities we're talking about now but

1350
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:37,990
there was an interesting case in fort

1351
00:57:43,770 --> 00:57:40,770
resolution in the Northwest Territories

1352
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:43,780
back I'm thinking now in the 90s where

1353
00:57:48,330 --> 00:57:46,930
UFOs were seen by a lot of people living

1354
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,340
in small communities whether they were

1355
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:51,040
doing some trapping and and I happened

1356
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:52,270
to reported when they came back into

1357
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:54,370
town and so forth and it was

1358
00:57:59,850 --> 00:57:56,910
investigated by the northern Rangers

1359
00:58:03,240 --> 00:57:59,860
which I don't think if there's an

1360
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:03,250
American version of Rangers anymore I

1361
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,110
mean just imagine what we could think

1362
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:06,640
about in terms of Rangers these are not

1363
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:08,890
police and not RCMP and not military

1364
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:13,410
they're their Patrol troops that

1365
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:15,910
patrolled the high Canadian Arctic and

1366
00:58:22,020 --> 00:58:20,050
it was investigated by them and there's

1367
00:58:22,289 --> 00:58:22,030
some very very detailed documents which

1368
00:58:23,459 --> 00:58:22,299
are

1369
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:23,469
now available through the Canadian

1370
00:58:30,299 --> 00:58:26,170
government of the investigations of the

1371
00:58:34,049 --> 00:58:30,309
the UFOs up there and it's it's a whole

1372
00:58:36,839 --> 00:58:34,059
new world in many cases what do you are

1373
00:58:38,849 --> 00:58:36,849
you seeing other waves of anomalous

1374
00:58:40,289 --> 00:58:38,859
reports that spring up in areas where

1375
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:40,299
there seems to be a little mini flap

1376
00:58:45,209 --> 00:58:42,729
going on when I was investigating down

1377
00:58:46,759 --> 00:58:45,219
the San Luis Valley oftentimes we'd have

1378
00:58:50,279 --> 00:58:46,769
strange weather

1379
00:58:52,769 --> 00:58:50,289
concurrent with with UFO reports crypto

1380
00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:52,779
creature sightings for instance seemed

1381
00:58:57,929 --> 00:58:56,140
to be somehow on some level associated I

1382
00:58:59,999 --> 00:58:57,939
don't know if there was a direct

1383
00:59:03,179 --> 00:59:00,009
connection but are you seeing attendant

1384
00:59:04,979 --> 00:59:03,189
phenomenon phenomenon rather that spring

1385
00:59:09,569 --> 00:59:04,989
up these types of reports that spring up

1386
00:59:11,189 --> 00:59:09,579
around mini waves yeah I just have to

1387
00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:11,199
say there there tends to be a

1388
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:14,380
correlation when I started doing my

1389
00:59:20,459 --> 00:59:16,689
investigations back in the 70s and yes I

1390
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:20,469
am dating myself I was actually into all

1391
00:59:26,509 --> 00:59:22,569
types of 14 phenomena so not just the

1392
00:59:29,099 --> 00:59:26,519
UFOs but Sasquatch Lake Monsters

1393
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:29,109
paranormal phenomena and so forth so it

1394
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:31,420
was a whole variety of things and simply

1395
00:59:35,939 --> 00:59:34,329
because nobody in my area hadn't really

1396
00:59:38,339 --> 00:59:35,949
been studying them in any great detail

1397
00:59:40,229 --> 00:59:38,349
so I would be typical at in a weekend I

1398
00:59:42,089 --> 00:59:40,239
would investigate a UFO report a

1399
00:59:46,579 --> 00:59:42,099
Sasquatch report and a lake monster

1400
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:46,589
report and there was one interesting

1401
00:59:53,130 --> 00:59:49,380
incident somewhere around of thinking

1402
00:59:55,799 --> 00:59:53,140
1976-77 something like that in southern

1403
00:59:59,669 --> 00:59:55,809
Manitoba where a family had reported

1404
01:00:01,439 --> 00:59:59,679
seeing a very large UFO there I think

1405
01:00:03,569 --> 01:00:01,449
there may be three witnesses to a large

1406
01:00:05,609 --> 01:00:03,579
UFO Lee described as a flying ferris

1407
01:00:09,299 --> 01:00:05,619
wheel if you can just imagine you know

1408
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:09,309
very large wheel in the sky with lights

1409
01:00:15,209 --> 01:00:13,569
and and you know moving around and they

1410
01:00:17,699 --> 01:00:15,219
saw it move and in a certain direction

1411
01:00:21,029 --> 01:00:17,709
when they thought it landed or settled

1412
01:00:22,859 --> 01:00:21,039
down I'm not too far away when I did

1413
01:00:25,439 --> 01:00:22,869
some on-site investigations I had spoken

1414
01:00:28,429 --> 01:00:25,449
with them and then I went to talk to

1415
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:28,439
some of the neighboring farm people and

1416
01:00:35,069 --> 01:00:31,569
I found that one of them had seen a

1417
01:00:36,059 --> 01:00:35,079
sasquatch the within about two or three

1418
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:36,069
hours of these

1419
01:00:41,299 --> 01:00:39,249
people seeing this giant UFO and and

1420
01:00:44,579 --> 01:00:41,309
this was just within about a mile or two

1421
01:00:47,489 --> 01:00:44,589
of the same area and then when I was

1422
01:00:51,059 --> 01:00:47,499
speaking with a you know another foreign

1423
01:00:52,529 --> 01:00:51,069
person I had sort of interrupted them as

1424
01:00:55,289 --> 01:00:52,539
they were doing something in their field

1425
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:55,299
and I had said well I'm sorry interrupt

1426
01:00:57,930 --> 01:00:56,529
you I'll get let you get back because

1427
01:00:59,279 --> 01:00:57,940
I'd asked you know if you seen a UFO

1428
01:01:01,410 --> 01:00:59,289
you've seen a sasquatch have you seen

1429
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:01,420
anything unusual they said no no nothing

1430
01:01:05,189 --> 01:01:03,729
out of the ordinary whatsoever and I

1431
01:01:06,839 --> 01:01:05,199
said I'll let you get back to it and and

1432
01:01:09,269 --> 01:01:06,849
he said fine he picked up his dowsing

1433
01:01:10,739 --> 01:01:09,279
rods and he started looking for four

1434
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:10,749
wells on his property and I said well

1435
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:12,130
wait a minute that that's you know

1436
01:01:15,029 --> 01:01:13,569
that's a little odd too and he says oh

1437
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:15,039
if you're interested in that stuff oh

1438
01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:16,569
sure you know we see the spooklight

1439
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:19,390
zipping around all the time and you know

1440
01:01:22,979 --> 01:01:20,890
there's a you know something that

1441
01:01:24,779 --> 01:01:22,989
happens over the old church and you know

1442
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:24,789
there's a whole series of interconnected

1443
01:01:30,779 --> 01:01:27,430
phenomena just within a maybe a ten

1444
01:01:32,449 --> 01:01:30,789
square mile section at that time so yeah

1445
01:01:35,339 --> 01:01:32,459
there have been some interesting

1446
01:01:36,479 --> 01:01:35,349
conjunctions of the various 14 phenomena

1447
01:01:38,670 --> 01:01:36,489
and I think there is a relationship

1448
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:38,680
although I'm not sure what I mean we

1449
01:01:45,089 --> 01:01:41,729
still get some reports of Sasquatch

1450
01:01:46,999 --> 01:01:45,099
every year in in Manitoba I think I

1451
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:47,009
think there probably were ten or twelve

1452
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:50,380
reports just last year so whether that's

1453
01:01:54,959 --> 01:01:52,329
truly connective either these were in

1454
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:54,969
areas far north where the UFOs aren't

1455
01:01:57,979 --> 01:01:57,130
reported but the phenomena themselves

1456
01:02:00,930 --> 01:01:57,989
are very diverse

1457
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:00,940
what about statistical analysis so we

1458
01:02:05,189 --> 01:02:02,529
only have a couple of minutes before the

1459
01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:05,199
break but with all this wonderful data

1460
01:02:09,809 --> 01:02:07,180
that you've compiled have you taken the

1461
01:02:12,449 --> 01:02:09,819
the true unknown cases and come up with

1462
01:02:15,749 --> 01:02:12,459
like a day of the week the time of the

1463
01:02:20,849 --> 01:02:15,759
time of the day that seems to be a spike

1464
01:02:23,009 --> 01:02:20,859
in the data as a matter of fact the my

1465
01:02:25,799 --> 01:02:23,019
colleague Jeff Hickman who's been my

1466
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:25,809
stats guy all these years has been doing

1467
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:27,910
some really good work and we have been

1468
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:29,410
doing some statistical analysis with a

1469
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:32,529
garden t-shapes and times and and color

1470
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:35,920
and whatnot I mean the the time of day

1471
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:37,930
has been fairly consistent and the the

1472
01:02:45,059 --> 01:02:39,910
difference between the unknowns and the

1473
01:02:46,979 --> 01:02:45,069
knowns don't vary a great deal but there

1474
01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:46,989
are some slight buck shoo Asians we do

1475
01:02:52,770 --> 01:02:49,750
know that the high

1476
01:02:55,860 --> 01:02:52,780
number of UFO reports comes generally in

1477
01:02:58,350 --> 01:02:55,870
summer months although for some reason

1478
01:03:01,380 --> 01:02:58,360
there are some anomalies like some years

1479
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:01,390
we'll get a peak in June and July and

1480
01:03:05,550 --> 01:03:03,370
the next year it'll be July August and

1481
01:03:07,770 --> 01:03:05,560
sometimes August September and then

1482
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:07,780
we'll find peaks in October or March

1483
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:09,940
that are just as high as some of the

1484
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:12,160
summer months or just a little bit below

1485
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:15,250
so there are some very bizarre trends

1486
01:03:20,910 --> 01:03:17,640
we're gonna be doing our 25-year

1487
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:20,920
analysis sometime in the next several

1488
01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:23,260
months because that's a lot of cases

1489
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:25,480
we're talking of the order about 15,000

1490
01:03:30,060 --> 01:03:28,150
UFO reports that would be very

1491
01:03:32,370 --> 01:03:30,070
fascinating to see what kind of pattern

1492
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,380
I can't way you can unearth there we

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have Chris Rutkowski joining eugene and

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us we're talking about Canada's UFO wave

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but also do we have any cases where it's

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seen on both sides of the border in

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Canada and then people in the US see the

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same thing well that's an interesting

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question I do know that we'll get

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reports from let's say the American side

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01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,250
of of Lake Ontario reporting things that

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are seen over the lake in the the

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Canadian site and vice-versa

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somebody will report things in the

1613
01:08:47,070 --> 01:08:45,040
southern part of Ontario seeing things

1614
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:47,080
that are over the American I don't

1615
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recall many cases at all where your site

1616
01:08:55,410 --> 01:08:53,440
simultaneous observations from both

1617
01:08:57,499 --> 01:08:55,420
sides of the border there probably are a

1618
01:09:00,960 --> 01:08:57,509
few but I can't think of any of that

1619
01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:00,970
mm-hmm the other thing that almost is

1620
01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:03,790
strange because certainly to a UFO

1621
01:09:08,999 --> 01:09:07,270
assuming it is something alien its

1622
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:09,009
intelligently controlled with the

1623
01:09:14,519 --> 01:09:11,130
borders of a country make any difference

1624
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:14,529
that's a very good point I think the the

1625
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:18,250
the limiting factor is that someone

1626
01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:21,690
let's say in Saskatchewan who sees a UFO

1627
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:23,350
first of all there's no one

1628
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,089
investigating in Saskatchewan they'll

1629
01:09:33,090 --> 01:09:27,520
report the sighting to Peter Davenport

1630
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:33,100
or to move on and you know across the

1631
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:36,130
border in Montana whoever is in charge

1632
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:38,049
in Montana move on may get the report

1633
01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:39,670
but there's not a lot of dialogue going

1634
01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:41,350
back and forth I don't think there's

1635
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:45,239
ever been a concerted effort to compare

1636
01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:47,890
Canadian cases with you know with regard

1637
01:09:52,019 --> 01:09:50,830
to time of day and and you know months

1638
01:09:53,970 --> 01:09:52,029
and that type of thing with what's been

1639
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:53,980
going on across the border it would be

1640
01:09:58,590 --> 01:09:56,230
an interesting exercise we do include

1641
01:10:00,510 --> 01:09:58,600
MUFON reports routinely in our Canadian

1642
01:10:02,010 --> 01:10:00,520
UFO survey the ones that are they know

1643
01:10:02,919 --> 01:10:02,020
that are reported to MUFON that occur in

1644
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:02,929
Canada

1645
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:06,000
but you know checking back and going

1646
01:10:11,959 --> 01:10:09,480
into the databases both ours and MUFON

1647
01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:11,969
for things that occur along the borders

1648
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:15,000
on the same day I guess the one

1649
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:18,570
exception is reports of fireballs and

1650
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:20,580
rocketry entries we do have a number of

1651
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:23,850
cases where observers on both sides of

1652
01:10:29,689 --> 01:10:27,780
the border do report those and so that

1653
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:29,699
type of thing can be found in the data

1654
01:10:32,150 --> 01:10:31,290
but of course those are the ones that we

1655
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:32,160
can't explain

1656
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:34,920
have you taken the opportunity to look

1657
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:38,310
at us cases compared to the cases in

1658
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:40,890
Canada to see if they're all reporting

1659
01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:42,690
the same kinds of objects and the reason

1660
01:10:48,380 --> 01:10:44,699
I mention that is because in South

1661
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:48,390
America for example the UFO reports tend

1662
01:10:56,180 --> 01:10:52,380
to be more lurid mm-hmm well I I have to

1663
01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,190
say no mostly because there's no one

1664
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:58,620
doing a comparable statistical analysis

1665
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,420
to what we're doing in the United States

1666
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:02,400
now and the caveat is that MUFON is

1667
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:04,370
starting to do a little bit of that and

1668
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,570
over the past number of years they have

1669
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:08,400
been doing it but certainly not when we

1670
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:11,010
started in in the late 80s and into the

1671
01:11:18,130 --> 01:11:15,060
90s was there a comparative analysis of

1672
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:18,140
UFO data in the United States I mean

1673
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:21,480
Peters doing a wonderful job doing his

1674
01:11:25,790 --> 01:11:23,219
collection but there's no analysis

1675
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:25,800
that's being done and back until you

1676
01:11:30,380 --> 01:11:28,320
know very recently a MUFON case data

1677
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:30,390
wasn't analyzed in that way either

1678
01:11:36,650 --> 01:11:33,890
so there hasn't been a real one-to-one

1679
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:36,660
analysis between the two countries in

1680
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,610
that sense I suspect that there'll be a

1681
01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:41,280
lot of similarities simply from what we

1682
01:11:44,810 --> 01:11:43,230
understand but we do read the cases I do

1683
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:44,820
keep abreast of what's happening in the

1684
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:48,179
States and we do read through a lot of

1685
01:11:51,979 --> 01:11:49,770
the MUFON stuff a lot of our sources

1686
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:51,989
come through you know stalker and places

1687
01:11:56,780 --> 01:11:54,510
like that sightings come and and so

1688
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:56,790
forth so we do get a lot of reports that

1689
01:12:02,689 --> 01:11:58,650
are coming through that way so we see

1690
01:12:04,959 --> 01:12:02,699
some similarities I don't know whether

1691
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:04,969
we can make a you know some of any good

1692
01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:07,170
analytical comparisons at this point

1693
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,020
because the data is simply not there

1694
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,520
isn't that unfortunate we've been at

1695
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:13,920
this game a lot of people since the late

1696
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:16,530
1940s and there are scattered

1697
01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:20,520
pockets of UFO information like a pro's

1698
01:12:26,510 --> 01:12:22,440
files are sitting in a bunch of locked

1699
01:12:29,299 --> 01:12:26,520
file cabinets that aren't being checked

1700
01:12:32,569 --> 01:12:29,309
or digitized do you think it's kind of a

1701
01:12:34,939 --> 01:12:32,579
crying shame that we have all this case

1702
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:34,949
history out there and putting it all

1703
01:12:40,459 --> 01:12:36,690
together doesn't seem to be being done

1704
01:12:42,049 --> 01:12:40,469
but I have to agree it's it's really

1705
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:42,059
unfortunate even putting together a

1706
01:12:48,799 --> 01:12:45,690
Canadian UFO survey had had some rough

1707
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:48,809
parts because I so I certainly you know

1708
01:12:52,459 --> 01:12:51,030
don't investigate cases everywhere in

1709
01:12:55,970 --> 01:12:52,469
Canada I mean it's a big country

1710
01:12:57,979 --> 01:12:55,980
in fact in Canada there are only a small

1711
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:57,989
handful of people doing serious UFO

1712
01:13:01,879 --> 01:13:00,300
research and investigation and when

1713
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:01,889
you're talking about one investigator in

1714
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,440
a province twice the size of Texas now

1715
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:06,719
that can result in some you know some

1716
01:13:10,939 --> 01:13:09,210
issues so we do gather the cases I mean

1717
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:10,949
if there is an investigator researcher

1718
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:13,920
in British Columbia we hope that he or

1719
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:16,260
she will help us in you know passing

1720
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,210
along the case reports and there's a

1721
01:13:22,330 --> 01:13:20,159
group called UFO BC that's actually

1722
01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:22,340
doing that operating very well with us

1723
01:13:28,250 --> 01:13:24,659
some provinces have you have

1724
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:28,260
organizations some do not and it's a

1725
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,880
matter of generating and trying to find

1726
01:13:34,250 --> 01:13:31,199
the information for putting in the

1727
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:34,260
Canadians UFO survey it was actually

1728
01:13:40,220 --> 01:13:37,020
true unfortunate that some UFO

1729
01:13:42,589 --> 01:13:40,230
investigators refused to participate in

1730
01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:42,599
the Canadian UFO survey you know I'm not

1731
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:44,280
going to give you my data it's my data

1732
01:13:50,029 --> 01:13:47,880
and you know so forth and you know

1733
01:13:51,379 --> 01:13:50,039
that's that's their prerogative but you

1734
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:51,389
know it's not contributing to the

1735
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:52,980
ultimate research but was trying to

1736
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,420
understand what's going on

1737
01:13:58,700 --> 01:13:56,880
the other thing is that I should should

1738
01:14:01,160 --> 01:13:58,710
note is that in terms of difference

1739
01:14:03,140 --> 01:14:01,170
between our Canadian UFO serving and

1740
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:03,150
what could be done in United States is

1741
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:07,500
that we do get Canadian UFO documents

1742
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:10,489
from official sources such as the police

1743
01:14:17,660 --> 01:14:15,199
from the military that come through

1744
01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:17,670
traffic control sources and that type of

1745
01:14:23,060 --> 01:14:20,820
thing we do get those cases we've had a

1746
01:14:24,529 --> 01:14:23,070
good relationship in fact this whole

1747
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:24,539
thing about disclosure has been sort of

1748
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:27,510
a point in Canada because all the UFO

1749
01:14:32,939 --> 01:14:29,860
cases that were reported officially

1750
01:14:34,649 --> 01:14:32,949
channels are actually available in some

1751
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:34,659
cases online but are certainly available

1752
01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:37,600
in the National Archives of Canada and

1753
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:39,940
even to this day we continue to get UFO

1754
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:44,409
reports from military bases and so forth

1755
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,510
so we don't get that in the United

1756
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:48,400
States in fact ever since Bluebook

1757
01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:50,530
closed that's kind of a black hole we

1758
01:14:55,169 --> 01:14:52,510
don't know what the types of cases are

1759
01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:55,179
occurring what characteristics there are

1760
01:14:58,590 --> 01:14:56,590
how many and so forth and what the

1761
01:15:02,040 --> 01:14:58,600
distribution is like all we have to go

1762
01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:02,050
on are the civilian reports and it's

1763
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:05,409
difficult to compare that when we here

1764
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:07,270
in Canada have the civilian reports plus

1765
01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:09,489
official reports but is there an

1766
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:11,580
official position by the authorities

1767
01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:14,530
about whether UFOs are real or not oh

1768
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:16,630
absolutely at the same position as the

1769
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:21,130
Americans that that UFOs don't pose any

1770
01:15:25,890 --> 01:15:24,010
threat and there's no there's no

1771
01:15:29,850 --> 01:15:25,900
scientific merit to studying them

1772
01:15:33,959 --> 01:15:29,860
whatsoever having said that there is a

1773
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:33,969
document which is part of training for

1774
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:36,610
pilots both military and civilian which

1775
01:15:42,330 --> 01:15:39,610
clearly says two pilots it is their

1776
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,340
responsibility to report unidentified

1777
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:44,080
flying objects and they actually spell

1778
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,210
it out on identify flying objects over

1779
01:15:51,209 --> 01:15:48,159
Canadian airspace and reporting them to

1780
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:51,219
authorities so pilots have an obligation

1781
01:15:58,169 --> 01:15:55,690
in Canada to report UFOs of course there

1782
01:15:59,879 --> 01:15:58,179
are similar regulations in the US but

1783
01:16:02,640 --> 01:15:59,889
you wonder how many pilots would dare

1784
01:16:04,590 --> 01:16:02,650
report a UFO because if it gets out it

1785
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:04,600
could really hurt their reputation I

1786
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mean we don't like airlines much to

1787
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begin with these days it's like flying

1788
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as being stuffed into a sardine can

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everything's an option your luggage is

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an option breathing is an option I think

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they haven't asked me about that the

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pathetic meals are more pathetic you can

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exploring UFO cases in Canada where

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there was a big UFO wave second-largest

1891
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in the years that he studied the cases

1892
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:08,340
Chris Rutkowski let me ask you quickly

1893
01:21:15,229 --> 01:21:12,480
here with regard to taking UFO seriously

1894
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:15,239
now when I first wrote you to come on

1895
01:21:18,860 --> 01:21:15,900
the show

1896
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:18,870
I caught an article at CBC News in

1897
01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:22,050
Manitoba the UFO sightings soar to new

1898
01:21:28,669 --> 01:21:25,020
heights in Canada and it seemed to be a

1899
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:28,679
perfectly serious article about the

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01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:32,520
subject really straightforward how is

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01:21:38,030 --> 01:21:34,830
coverage handled in your country you

1902
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:38,040
know we refreshing indeed I have to say

1903
01:21:42,380 --> 01:21:41,130
it's it's fairly straight you know

1904
01:21:45,650 --> 01:21:42,390
there's still some of the ridicule

1905
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:45,660
curtain going on it there are you know

1906
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:47,610
the standard newscasters with the banter

1907
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:50,010
at the desk sort of joking about little

1908
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:52,170
green guys and so forth that'll happen

1909
01:21:57,050 --> 01:21:55,199
but for the most part it's pretty

1910
01:22:01,100 --> 01:21:57,060
straight and one of the reasons for that

1911
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:01,110
is that I'm trying to liaise between the

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01:22:05,650 --> 01:22:03,449
lay public and the scientific community

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01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:05,660
I mean that's why we put our data online

1914
01:22:09,010 --> 01:22:07,770
people can look at the data and they can

1915
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:09,020
look at the cases they look at our

1916
01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:11,730
analysis and I'm not making any

1917
01:22:19,419 --> 01:22:15,390
extraordinary claims in fact I spoke

1918
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:19,429
recently at a university here in Canada

1919
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:21,900
to a pretty tough crowd a pretty cynical

1920
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:24,810
crowd and they were impressed with the

1921
01:22:31,070 --> 01:22:27,650
fact that I wasn't talking in terms of

1922
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:31,080
you know the aliens are here and and

1923
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:33,330
living among us and you know they're

1924
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:35,310
they're from Alpha Centauri or from here

1925
01:22:42,350 --> 01:22:37,770
and for that I'm sticking really closely

1926
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,360
to the facts I'm I'm really doing you

1927
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:44,880
know just the the straight stuff in the

1928
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:47,370
sense that I want to know what people

1929
01:22:53,419 --> 01:22:50,640
are really reporting and I'm reporting

1930
01:22:56,209 --> 01:22:53,429
the people reporting I'm reporting that

1931
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:56,219
people are reporting nice phrase yeah

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01:22:59,330 --> 01:22:58,290
yeah they're the reporting UFOs

1933
01:23:01,459 --> 01:22:59,340
unidentified flying

1934
01:23:03,410 --> 01:23:01,469
objects and I make a point of saying

1935
01:23:04,939 --> 01:23:03,420
that that just means things in the sky

1936
01:23:07,129 --> 01:23:04,949
you can't explain doesn't necessarily

1937
01:23:07,580 --> 01:23:07,139
mean spacecraft and the numbers are

1938
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:07,590
there

1939
01:23:16,609 --> 01:23:12,300
witnesses come from all walks of life

1940
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:16,619
air traffic controllers pilots butchers

1941
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:18,360
bakers candlestick makers the whole

1942
01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:21,090
thing and I'm really just just reporting

1943
01:23:26,839 --> 01:23:23,670
I'm the Jack Webb of of ufology maybe

1944
01:23:28,339 --> 01:23:26,849
just a fax man just the facts and if you

1945
01:23:30,140 --> 01:23:28,349
want to interpret beyond that that's

1946
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,150
fine but you you you know we stick your

1947
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:31,920
neck out and and it's gonna get chopped

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01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:34,320
off pretty quick that's interesting that

1949
01:23:39,589 --> 01:23:37,170
you bring out the Jack Webb reference I

1950
01:23:40,959 --> 01:23:39,599
wonder how many people even remember who

1951
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:40,969
he was

1952
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:46,020
now we're dating her so yeah I've got an

1953
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:48,090
interesting question for you I'm gonna

1954
01:23:52,399 --> 01:23:49,710
be interested in your answer

1955
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:52,409
the recent citizens hearing on UFO

1956
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:55,040
disclosure that took place at the

1957
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,960
National Press Club in Washington DC I

1958
01:24:03,410 --> 01:24:00,480
happen to be a camera person on that

1959
01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:03,420
that five-day event and the whole thing

1960
01:24:11,149 --> 01:24:07,500
was ended with X Canadian Minister of

1961
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,159
Defence Paul Hellyer who read a section

1962
01:24:16,820 --> 01:24:13,520
from Jim sparks one of Jim sparks books

1963
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:16,830
which I think I personally feel is quite

1964
01:24:23,390 --> 01:24:19,199
questionable but he ready dialogue

1965
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:23,400
between the ETS and Jim sparks about you

1966
01:24:27,339 --> 01:24:24,570
know we're messing up the environment

1967
01:24:31,879 --> 01:24:27,349
and you know all your standard knee-jerk

1968
01:24:35,089 --> 01:24:31,889
statements allegedly made by ETS to

1969
01:24:39,260 --> 01:24:35,099
contact these and abductees how is his

1970
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:39,270
very upfront demeanor and some of his

1971
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:41,670
kind of over-the-top statements about

1972
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:43,800
the reality of the UFO phenomenon how

1973
01:24:48,770 --> 01:24:45,810
was that being perceived up in Canada

1974
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:48,780
well I have to say that it's probably

1975
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:51,210
being perceived the same way as it is in

1976
01:24:55,580 --> 01:24:53,130
the States and when it's covered on the

1977
01:24:58,209 --> 01:24:55,590
news there's a lot of chortling going on

1978
01:25:01,790 --> 01:24:58,219
a lot of what people put credence in

1979
01:25:06,260 --> 01:25:01,800
Hellyer's statements because he was

1980
01:25:09,020 --> 01:25:06,270
Minister of Defence and it was during it

1981
01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:09,030
was a very short time it was only a or a

1982
01:25:12,820 --> 01:25:11,940
matter of 18 months or so or maybe just

1983
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:12,830
a little bit longer

1984
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:15,920
that in the 1960s so his tenure as

1985
01:25:20,290 --> 01:25:17,840
defense minister was a long time ago

1986
01:25:21,970 --> 01:25:20,300
first of all and but I took it upon

1987
01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:21,980
myself to go through the government

1988
01:25:24,910 --> 01:25:23,510
documents I did mention that you know

1989
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:24,920
government documents what you have those

1990
01:25:29,140 --> 01:25:27,650
are readily available now in Canada so I

1991
01:25:32,020 --> 01:25:29,150
went and looked at the documents about

1992
01:25:33,940 --> 01:25:32,030
UFOs that were available from the 19

1993
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:33,950
that were during the time that he was a

1994
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:35,110
Minister of Defense

1995
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,760
curiously he says that he never was

1996
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:39,440
interested in UFOs during his time in

1997
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:41,330
office and didn't see anything

1998
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:44,330
interesting crossing his desk that to me

1999
01:25:51,130 --> 01:25:47,930
is a little strange because I have that

2000
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:51,140
we found many documents that his name is

2001
01:25:56,860 --> 01:25:54,410
on that obviously had passed through his

2002
01:25:59,080 --> 01:25:56,870
office in his desk regarding some really

2003
01:26:02,470 --> 01:25:59,090
remarkable UFO cases including shag

2004
01:26:04,900 --> 01:26:02,480
Harbor which is a major case that some

2005
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:04,910
of you might be aware of where something

2006
01:26:10,450 --> 01:26:08,410
crashed into the ocean of Nova Scotia

2007
01:26:13,090 --> 01:26:10,460
happened also during the time when a

2008
01:26:15,610 --> 01:26:13,100
Steven McCulloch happened it happened

2009
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:15,620
upon a UFO that burned him and was he

2010
01:26:21,730 --> 01:26:18,410
was taken to the Mayo Clinic for testing

2011
01:26:23,980 --> 01:26:21,740
and the RCMP and the Canadian Air Force

2012
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:23,990
and a number of other official agencies

2013
01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:26,330
were heavily heavily involved to the

2014
01:26:29,620 --> 01:26:27,470
point where there's hundreds upon

2015
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:29,630
hundreds of documents it was in the

2016
01:26:33,670 --> 01:26:31,370
media it was in all the papers and

2017
01:26:35,530 --> 01:26:33,680
there's dozens and dozens of other cases

2018
01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:35,540
that were really remarkable going on at

2019
01:26:39,370 --> 01:26:37,490
the same time and he doesn't remember

2020
01:26:41,710 --> 01:26:39,380
anything that was significant crossing

2021
01:26:44,620 --> 01:26:41,720
his desk well maybe he put his blinders

2022
01:26:46,780 --> 01:26:44,630
on it's very possible it's very possible

2023
01:26:49,420 --> 01:26:46,790
well that doesn't sound likely I mean

2024
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:49,430
those those cases are some of the the

2025
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:51,710
most sensational cases in you in the

2026
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:53,690
history of ufology and they did happen

2027
01:26:58,630 --> 01:26:57,290
in Canada and he I'm sure would be aware

2028
01:27:00,460 --> 01:26:58,640
of them there's there's no way it could

2029
01:27:02,620 --> 01:27:00,470
not be so what do you what do you make

2030
01:27:05,620 --> 01:27:02,630
of his denial of being interested back

2031
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:05,630
then well it's he's made some very you

2032
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:07,490
know interesting statements that you

2033
01:27:12,610 --> 01:27:10,130
mentioned a reading was sparks book you

2034
01:27:15,940 --> 01:27:12,620
mentioned you know other things where he

2035
01:27:18,490 --> 01:27:15,950
said that the tall white aliens go into

2036
01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:18,500
Las Vegas occasionally on weekends and

2037
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:20,060
disguise himself as nuns I mean he's

2038
01:27:25,420 --> 01:27:22,250
actually said these things at public

2039
01:27:26,740 --> 01:27:25,430
forums and what would bring someone with

2040
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:26,750
his reputation and back

2041
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:29,450
round two to make those statements and

2042
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:30,770
you know considering he has the

2043
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:33,410
credibility and I mean he had

2044
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,450
credibility back in the 60s when he was

2045
01:27:40,060 --> 01:27:38,000
a politician in Canadian politics he

2046
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:40,070
actually deviated into some pretty

2047
01:27:45,790 --> 01:27:43,730
strange fringe politics after that point

2048
01:27:49,900 --> 01:27:45,800
being actually involved in a lot of

2049
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:49,910
fringe parties it's a and I think he

2050
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,170
probably lost a little bit of his

2051
01:27:57,130 --> 01:27:53,360
credibility among the Canadian public

2052
01:27:59,010 --> 01:27:57,140
through that but in terms of the UFO

2053
01:28:03,220 --> 01:27:59,020
connection why he would be saying that

2054
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:03,230
you know and I'm saying this satirically

2055
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:07,010
and cynically but just imagine if you

2056
01:28:14,170 --> 01:28:10,880
you know had a had a military person and

2057
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:14,180
a politician go on record to state that

2058
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:17,120
the aliens really we're here and that we

2059
01:28:20,860 --> 01:28:19,370
know all about them and they're you know

2060
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:20,870
they're they look like this and they do

2061
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:26,480
this why do we put prudence in someone

2062
01:28:32,020 --> 01:28:28,880
like that but when Obama opens his mouth

2063
01:28:35,230 --> 01:28:32,030
or Al Gore Clinton we think that he's

2064
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:35,240
lying and yet here's a politician that

2065
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:37,250
we believe every word that's coming out

2066
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:39,590
of his mouth to me it doesn't make any

2067
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,810
sense and just imagine isn't it a

2068
01:28:47,020 --> 01:28:43,280
wonderful way to spread disinformation

2069
01:28:50,860 --> 01:28:47,030
to have something to say I think all

2070
01:28:53,050 --> 01:28:50,870
these wild statements and and people are

2071
01:28:54,610 --> 01:28:53,060
believing it so he's saying things I

2072
01:28:56,440 --> 01:28:54,620
think a lot of people want to hear and

2073
01:28:58,810 --> 01:28:56,450
actually I was engaged in a discussion

2074
01:29:01,330 --> 01:28:58,820
with somebody on Facebook not that long

2075
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:01,340
ago who has had a number of contact

2076
01:29:06,190 --> 01:29:03,170
experiences and he believes Hellyer

2077
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:06,200
completely and that's fine it just

2078
01:29:10,570 --> 01:29:08,090
remember that you know Hellyer himself

2079
01:29:12,580 --> 01:29:10,580
says that he he didn't have personal

2080
01:29:14,350 --> 01:29:12,590
experience he's been told that the

2081
01:29:17,070 --> 01:29:14,360
aliens are really here by somebody else

2082
01:29:19,540 --> 01:29:17,080
who he's not naming and you know it's

2083
01:29:23,230 --> 01:29:19,550
yeah I don't see the evidence I don't

2084
01:29:26,460 --> 01:29:23,240
see the the you know the you know a good

2085
01:29:29,770 --> 01:29:26,470
proof backing up his statements at all

2086
01:29:31,300 --> 01:29:29,780
so I'm really wondering why he's doing

2087
01:29:34,570 --> 01:29:31,310
this I've actually been on a program

2088
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:34,580
together with him he's a very nice man I

2089
01:29:39,490 --> 01:29:38,810
like him I just really doubt what he's

2090
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:39,500
saying

2091
01:29:43,180 --> 01:29:40,850
has any veracity

2092
01:29:43,930 --> 01:29:43,190
in terms of the reality with regard to

2093
01:29:48,130 --> 01:29:43,940
UFOs

2094
01:29:50,710 --> 01:29:48,140
he seems very shall we say misinformed

2095
01:29:53,740 --> 01:29:50,720
and not very up to speed on much of the

2096
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:53,750
subject I think he he latches on to you

2097
01:29:58,960 --> 01:29:55,730
some of this more sensational aspects

2098
01:30:02,980 --> 01:29:58,970
and I think does scientific ufology a

2099
01:30:04,780 --> 01:30:02,990
disservice by by being such a person

2100
01:30:07,450 --> 01:30:04,790
with that kind of you know implied

2101
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:07,460
stature and then you know coming up with

2102
01:30:12,730 --> 01:30:10,610
with let's be honest some some rather

2103
01:30:15,700 --> 01:30:12,740
outlandish statements that are taken

2104
01:30:18,460 --> 01:30:15,710
seriously by the to believer crowd but I

2105
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:18,470
think it really pushes away potential

2106
01:30:22,270 --> 01:30:20,450
scientific and academic involvement even

2107
01:30:24,730 --> 01:30:22,280
more than it's already being pushed away

2108
01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:24,740
myself okay with gene and Chris we'll

2109
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:27,140
have more with Chris rutowski getting to

2110
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:28,610
Chris's on the show always gets

2111
01:30:38,490 --> 01:30:31,010
confusing yeah but we do now you're in a

2112
01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:38,500
para cast we are the premiere

2113
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:41,510
independent talk radio network the

2114
01:30:48,430 --> 01:30:45,850
Genesis communications network G C and

2115
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so here's what happened I was placing an

2116
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order online the site went down it took

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hours before it returned but I'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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your site goes down you could lose

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personal site you'll want to know it's

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easy to run and it will stay online at

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iWeb your site is hosted on one of the

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most reliable networks in the world talk

2125
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to a sales rep at a web.com use the

2126
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promo code tech night-owl for a special

2127
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discount first game attack of the raw

2128
01:31:21,220 --> 01:31:18,770
codes and it was a critically acclaimed

2129
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:21,230
success and now there's the coming of

2130
01:31:25,390 --> 01:31:23,090
the protectors a former military

2131
01:31:27,610 --> 01:31:25,400
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2132
01:31:30,220 --> 01:31:27,620
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2133
01:31:31,630 --> 01:31:30,230
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2134
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our distant planet are planning to

2135
01:31:35,140 --> 01:31:32,510
conquer the earth

2136
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:35,150
this is gripping science fiction of the

2137
01:31:39,670 --> 01:31:37,610
classic kind attack of the rock codes

2138
01:31:42,610 --> 01:31:39,680
and the coming of the protectors find

2139
01:31:46,270 --> 01:31:42,620
out more at rockets calm that's Rockets

2140
01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:46,280
are Ock oids calm we live in a

2141
01:31:50,410 --> 01:31:48,710
complicated society stressful issues are

2142
01:31:52,270 --> 01:31:50,420
always popping up have you ever been

2143
01:31:54,370 --> 01:31:52,280
treated unfairly by someone have you

2144
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:54,380
ever been overcharged for a repair

2145
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:56,239
you ever signed a contract or a document

2146
01:31:59,979 --> 01:31:58,639
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so we have Chris and Chris Chris O'Brien

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and Chris rutkowski and they will fight

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amongst each other for who gets top

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billing okay the other thing I was gonna

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01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:22,540
mention about Paul Hellyer and this is

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01:35:26,850 --> 01:35:23,770
actually something that's glossed over

2223
01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:26,860
too in his background he was actually

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present when the world's first UFO

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01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:33,760
landing pad was formally opened in

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Canada in 1967 what was happening was

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that there was a Canada Centennial

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founded in 1867 and for 1967 they had

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contests across Canada and some

2230
01:35:51,689 --> 01:35:49,900
government funding to create some

2231
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:51,699
interesting community ideas and do

2232
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:53,650
something the community of st. Paul

2233
01:36:00,270 --> 01:35:56,770
Alberta decided they would make a UFO

2234
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:00,280
landing pad it was a it's a raised

2235
01:36:07,500 --> 01:36:03,280
platform and it has all the flags of all

2236
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:07,510
the nations and the idea was that UFOs

2237
01:36:12,540 --> 01:36:11,050
would land there and you know rather

2238
01:36:13,050 --> 01:36:12,550
than the White House or whatever I don't

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01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:13,060
know

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and they really embraced it in fact st.

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01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:18,300
Paul Alberta had you know similar

2242
01:36:24,930 --> 01:36:22,960
festivals comparable to Roswell you know

2243
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,940
the Roswell UFO festival well st. Paul

2244
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:26,560
Alberta had a number of these as well

2245
01:36:32,399 --> 01:36:29,170
back the Center for UFO studies has

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01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:32,409
donated its a lot of its collection and

2247
01:36:37,229 --> 01:36:34,090
is traveling UFO display that John

2248
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:37,239
Timmerman used to have to a museum and

2249
01:36:42,270 --> 01:36:39,730
now there's a UFO Museum underneath the

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01:36:43,649 --> 01:36:42,280
UFO landing pad and st. Paul Albert and

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01:36:46,169 --> 01:36:43,659
it's quite a tourist attraction you can

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01:36:48,030 --> 01:36:46,179
go to the the Radio Shack and it you

2253
01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:48,040
know has parts advertised for your

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01:36:51,149 --> 01:36:49,960
flying saucer you know it has you know a

2255
01:36:53,340 --> 01:36:51,159
lot of the restaurants have flying

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01:36:56,669 --> 01:36:53,350
saucer pizzas and themes and things like

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01:36:59,010 --> 01:36:56,679
that it's a lot of fun but Paul Hellyer

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01:37:01,740 --> 01:36:59,020
was the minister in charge of the Air

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01:37:05,310 --> 01:37:01,750
Force at that time and he actually spoke

2260
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:05,320
at the opening of the UFO landing pad in

2261
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:09,520
st. Paul Alberta in 1967 so there is a

2262
01:37:14,250 --> 01:37:11,290
connection there too that goes back

2263
01:37:16,290 --> 01:37:14,260
quite a long way so he spoke there but

2264
01:37:19,650 --> 01:37:16,300
he never saw the cases

2265
01:37:21,690 --> 01:37:19,660
came on his desk no no all right I'm

2266
01:37:23,550 --> 01:37:21,700
just making notes here I'm just Ranger

2267
01:37:26,730 --> 01:37:23,560
founder so that we understand what

2268
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:26,740
excuses he's making for all this okay is

2269
01:37:30,150 --> 01:37:28,030
there a feeling though that maybe

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01:37:31,860 --> 01:37:30,160
because the guys gang on in years he's

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01:37:33,570 --> 01:37:31,870
being a little bit more eccentric than

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01:37:36,630 --> 01:37:33,580
he might have otherwise been that's just

2273
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:36,640
a theory well I you know it's it's a

2274
01:37:41,690 --> 01:37:38,770
possibility although I have to say when

2275
01:37:44,130 --> 01:37:41,700
I met him he was one of the most lucid

2276
01:37:47,580 --> 01:37:44,140
80-some year olds that I've ever met so

2277
01:37:49,980 --> 01:37:47,590
I I'm not sure I mean I'm hoping that

2278
01:37:52,830 --> 01:37:49,990
that's not the case but I mean the

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01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:52,840
possibility that you know he's as you

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01:37:56,130 --> 01:37:54,370
say misinformed and spreading a little

2281
01:37:57,380 --> 01:37:56,140
disinformation those are possibilities

2282
01:38:00,630 --> 01:37:57,390
to that I think people should take

2283
01:38:03,180 --> 01:38:00,640
seriously you know one subject that

2284
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:03,190
always interests me here is disclosure

2285
01:38:07,470 --> 01:38:05,110
in the sense that of course we have

2286
01:38:10,350 --> 01:38:07,480
activists who have pushing forward but I

2287
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:10,360
wonder here whether some things that are

2288
01:38:16,230 --> 01:38:13,690
being done paint the way to a gradual

2289
01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:16,240
disclosure and I think for example the

2290
01:38:20,580 --> 01:38:17,980
discoveries more and more of these

2291
01:38:24,030 --> 01:38:20,590
discoveries of so-called Goldilocks or

2292
01:38:27,900 --> 01:38:24,040
type em planets around other stars

2293
01:38:29,820 --> 01:38:27,910
systems that may Harbor at least the

2294
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:29,830
potential for life I think the other day

2295
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:31,890
they were talking about something that's

2296
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:35,170
1.1 times as large as Earth that's

2297
01:38:39,630 --> 01:38:37,090
getting closer yeah I mean my

2298
01:38:41,550 --> 01:38:39,640
backgrounds in astronomy and I share the

2299
01:38:43,020 --> 01:38:41,560
views of most astronomers that there's

2300
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:43,030
probably life out there somewhere and

2301
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:44,560
it's the old problem of getting here

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01:38:49,530 --> 01:38:47,110
from there and vice versa I predict that

2303
01:38:52,050 --> 01:38:49,540
you know this this most recent case of

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01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:52,060
the planet that was very similar in size

2305
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:52,690
to earth

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01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:56,080
I predict that within a year we'll have

2307
01:39:01,170 --> 01:38:58,330
information news about a planet that is

2308
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:01,180
exactly like her in other words you know

2309
01:39:04,410 --> 01:39:03,010
not only just a similar in size but

2310
01:39:06,420 --> 01:39:04,420
probably has an atmosphere probably

2311
01:39:09,780 --> 01:39:06,430
orbiting a star at the same distance as

2312
01:39:12,270 --> 01:39:09,790
ours same color star and so forth I

2313
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:12,280
think we're very close to that I I'm not

2314
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:15,040
a big fan of disclosure in general I

2315
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:16,450
mean it's interesting now that it's

2316
01:39:20,910 --> 01:39:19,360
shifted away from you know Obama or

2317
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:20,920
somebody going on national television

2318
01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:22,810
and saying that we have the the alien

2319
01:39:26,610 --> 01:39:24,280
ship in our possession or the aliens

2320
01:39:28,830 --> 01:39:26,620
have been contacted us to a more gradual

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01:39:29,820 --> 01:39:28,840
thing to me that's no different than

2322
01:39:31,710 --> 01:39:29,830
saying you know

2323
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:31,720
we're just gonna continue on doing our

2324
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:33,520
own studies and investigation in science

2325
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,250
will march on and especially since in

2326
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:38,400
terms of documents and official

2327
01:39:43,710 --> 01:39:41,440
viewpoints I've mentioned that in Canada

2328
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:43,720
we have all the documents well Cal

2329
01:39:47,370 --> 01:39:45,490
caveat that I'm sure that there are some

2330
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:47,380
that we don't have but we've been having

2331
01:39:51,690 --> 01:39:49,450
a steady stream of documents that have

2332
01:39:54,150 --> 01:39:51,700
been available all along without any

2333
01:39:56,970 --> 01:39:54,160
interruption regarding UFOs reported to

2334
01:39:58,530 --> 01:39:56,980
official agencies so and there's a

2335
01:40:00,240 --> 01:39:58,540
number of other countries that have you

2336
01:40:02,460 --> 01:40:00,250
know released vast quantities of

2337
01:40:05,610 --> 01:40:02,470
documents like like England for example

2338
01:40:08,190 --> 01:40:05,620
and the you know that Nick Pope has been

2339
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:08,200
talking about so I think there's a lot

2340
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:09,850
of documents that are out there showing

2341
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:12,250
that you know the disclosure just isn't

2342
01:40:15,710 --> 01:40:13,600
gonna happen in the way that people

2343
01:40:18,090 --> 01:40:15,720
believed at one time it was gonna happen

2344
01:40:20,460 --> 01:40:18,100
whether we're gonna be getting you know

2345
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:20,470
some additional trickles of information

2346
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:21,730
you know people have talked about well

2347
01:40:25,860 --> 01:40:22,810
from hangar one

2348
01:40:28,250 --> 01:40:25,870
you know velcro and transistors you know

2349
01:40:30,690 --> 01:40:28,260
caused or developed through

2350
01:40:32,610 --> 01:40:30,700
communication with aliens I don't think

2351
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:32,620
that's scientifically true but you know

2352
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,570
there there's this impression that there

2353
01:40:39,150 --> 01:40:36,400
will be some grand announcement and I

2354
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:39,160
just don't don't see that but what I've

2355
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:41,290
seen and all my investigations and my

2356
01:40:46,500 --> 01:40:44,170
studies of of the way that UFOs are

2357
01:40:48,810 --> 01:40:46,510
being reported and communicated and the

2358
01:40:51,150 --> 01:40:48,820
relationship between governments and the

2359
01:40:53,580 --> 01:40:51,160
UFO phenomenon I I just don't buy into

2360
01:40:55,170 --> 01:40:53,590
the whole disclosure thing well you and

2361
01:40:57,690 --> 01:40:55,180
me both I've been saying that for years

2362
01:41:00,810 --> 01:40:57,700
myself I mean how can the control

2363
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:00,820
structure of a society admit that it's

2364
01:41:05,730 --> 01:41:03,520
not in control and and come forward and

2365
01:41:07,230 --> 01:41:05,740
you know shoot themselves in the foot by

2366
01:41:09,300 --> 01:41:07,240
saying yeah we've been lying for 60

2367
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:09,310
years or however long you know I think

2368
01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:11,650
we're both in of the like mind in that

2369
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:14,440
regard you know not to not to denigrate

2370
01:41:19,470 --> 01:41:17,890
Steven Bassets efforts Steven Greer

2371
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:19,480
there's a number of people that have

2372
01:41:23,100 --> 01:41:20,890
been figureheads in this particular

2373
01:41:25,530 --> 01:41:23,110
movement but one of the things that's

2374
01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:25,540
always interested me obviously about

2375
01:41:31,110 --> 01:41:27,940
Canadian cases is of course shag harbour

2376
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:31,120
which is a combination of a UFO and a

2377
01:41:37,410 --> 01:41:34,570
USO an unidentified submerged object I

2378
01:41:40,530 --> 01:41:37,420
seem to remember a few years back that

2379
01:41:42,510 --> 01:41:40,540
there were a number of cases reported I

2380
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:42,520
think south of Toronto I was at Lake

2381
01:41:45,450 --> 01:41:43,600
Erie or Lake on

2382
01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:45,460
where objects were seen going in and out

2383
01:41:51,450 --> 01:41:49,510
I think is what about 2009-2010 doing

2384
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:51,460
all that and a mini flap could you show

2385
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:53,410
us a little bit more of a update on

2386
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:55,840
those particular reports coming in and

2387
01:41:59,070 --> 01:41:57,760
out of the lakes you mean coming in and

2388
01:42:02,100 --> 01:41:59,080
out of the lake like out of the water

2389
01:42:03,570 --> 01:42:02,110
yeah yeah yeah we still do get reports

2390
01:42:08,940 --> 01:42:03,580
like that in fact there is a group

2391
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:08,950
called orb watch which they don't do it

2392
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:12,610
as often they would set up a base I'm

2393
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:14,110
trying to think I think they set up

2394
01:42:20,430 --> 01:42:16,960
based on the south shore of Lake Ontario

2395
01:42:23,940 --> 01:42:20,440
and would do they're recording a video

2396
01:42:25,790 --> 01:42:23,950
and photo of the UFOs that they were

2397
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:25,800
seeing so there is still some concern

2398
01:42:30,540 --> 01:42:27,850
projects that are underway in that

2399
01:42:34,110 --> 01:42:30,550
regard and so the water connection is

2400
01:42:37,170 --> 01:42:34,120
there is very very strong and you know

2401
01:42:38,970 --> 01:42:37,180
Canada has lots and lots of water so the

2402
01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:38,980
number of cases that that occur with

2403
01:42:42,510 --> 01:42:41,260
thing going in and out of the waters is

2404
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:42,520
pretty significant

2405
01:42:48,270 --> 01:42:45,280
could you put approximate percentage on

2406
01:42:50,820 --> 01:42:48,280
cases are we we talking about a large

2407
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:50,830
number of cases in relation to the total

2408
01:42:55,470 --> 01:42:53,650
number no actually I don't think it

2409
01:42:57,540 --> 01:42:55,480
would be a large percentage I'm thinking

2410
01:42:59,700 --> 01:42:57,550
probably you know five or ten percent

2411
01:43:01,470 --> 01:42:59,710
have some water connection one way or

2412
01:43:03,450 --> 01:43:01,480
another which is still you know a

2413
01:43:05,130 --> 01:43:03,460
significant number but you know whether

2414
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:05,140
they're occurring over lakes and rivers

2415
01:43:10,740 --> 01:43:08,050
and and over the ocean that's you know

2416
01:43:12,060 --> 01:43:10,750
is the simple proximity enough to you

2417
01:43:14,250 --> 01:43:12,070
know to say that there's connection I'm

2418
01:43:16,980 --> 01:43:14,260
not sure about that well no obviously

2419
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:16,990
when you were last on we did talk at

2420
01:43:22,890 --> 01:43:19,210
length I mistook you for Chris Stiles -

2421
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:22,900
and I apologize that but that that is

2422
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:26,530
has always been I think one of the best

2423
01:43:32,910 --> 01:43:31,330
cases on record give us just a recap

2424
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:32,920
real quick before we go to break of your

2425
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:34,930
feelings on the shag harbour event in

2426
01:43:40,110 --> 01:43:36,970
its place in youth logical history oh

2427
01:43:43,110 --> 01:43:40,120
yeah well we know back in 1967 in the

2428
01:43:46,730 --> 01:43:43,120
fall there had been a number of reports

2429
01:43:49,050 --> 01:43:46,740
of lights in the sky moving around and

2430
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:49,060
they had actually been reported to the

2431
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:53,440
police at one point and the the lights

2432
01:43:57,630 --> 01:43:56,650
were seen moving from the land towards

2433
01:44:00,570 --> 01:43:57,640
the ocean and a one

2434
01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:00,580
quite a number of people had seen one of

2435
01:44:03,690 --> 01:44:02,110
the lights descend toward the ocean and

2436
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:03,700
go into the ocean they actually saw it

2437
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:05,970
go again not that far away from shore

2438
01:44:12,570 --> 01:44:09,730
the people reported it to the Mounties

2439
01:44:14,370 --> 01:44:12,580
to the police the police rounded up some

2440
01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:14,380
fishing boats they woke people up this

2441
01:44:18,510 --> 01:44:16,390
was very early in the morning thinking

2442
01:44:20,130 --> 01:44:18,520
that you know something had fun aircraft

2443
01:44:22,050 --> 01:44:20,140
had fallen or something they

2444
01:44:24,180 --> 01:44:22,060
commandeered the boats they went out and

2445
01:44:27,890 --> 01:44:24,190
I found a sort of a greenish foam

2446
01:44:31,530 --> 01:44:27,900
floating on top of the of the water and

2447
01:44:34,530 --> 01:44:31,540
it was a partially luminescent later

2448
01:44:37,530 --> 01:44:34,540
there had been some underwater retrieval

2449
01:44:39,810 --> 01:44:37,540
plans nothing was officially found all

2450
01:44:41,610 --> 01:44:39,820
there are there stories that the United

2451
01:44:44,250 --> 01:44:41,620
States Navy which did have a base not

2452
01:44:46,380 --> 01:44:44,260
too far away from there had sent in some

2453
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:46,390
divers and was taking things out down

2454
01:44:51,090 --> 01:44:48,370
the coast a bit and loading it onto a

2455
01:44:52,740 --> 01:44:51,100
flatbed and carting it away there is

2456
01:44:54,270 --> 01:44:52,750
official documentation that something

2457
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:54,280
crashed a lot of people had seen it

2458
01:45:00,150 --> 01:44:56,770
there's a government documents attesting

2459
01:45:02,340 --> 01:45:00,160
that something was definitely seen but

2460
01:45:04,050 --> 01:45:02,350
nothing officially was ever found so

2461
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:04,060
it's Canada's version of Roswell it's a

2462
01:45:07,710 --> 01:45:06,310
very interesting story and the

2463
01:45:09,870 --> 01:45:07,720
difference between it and Roswell is

2464
01:45:12,510 --> 01:45:09,880
that we do have verification that

2465
01:45:15,330 --> 01:45:12,520
something was actually seen and fell

2466
01:45:18,090 --> 01:45:15,340
into the water and the the documentation

2467
01:45:20,700 --> 01:45:18,100
is there we have Chris rutkowski here

2468
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:20,710
with Chris O'Brien and Jeanne you're in

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the Barrett cast hi this is Ted Anderson

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[Applause]

2500
01:47:51,690 --> 01:47:47,390
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2501
01:48:00,340 --> 01:47:51,700
standard of paranormal radio and now

2502
01:48:02,590 --> 01:48:00,350
here's Jean Steinberg I think here

2503
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:02,600
whenever we have another Chris on the

2504
01:48:08,980 --> 01:48:06,170
show we should have mr. O'Brien known by

2505
01:48:12,490 --> 01:48:08,990
another name we didn't do that this

2506
01:48:14,530 --> 01:48:12,500
episode that would help yes well you

2507
01:48:16,090 --> 01:48:14,540
know there's my stage name kay kay so

2508
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:16,100
you can use that I think we use that

2509
01:48:22,510 --> 01:48:19,370
last time you did that's right that was

2510
01:48:24,610 --> 01:48:22,520
my real name Kimmie Keegan Barnes okay

2511
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:24,620
we have Kay Kay Barnes and gene

2512
01:48:29,020 --> 01:48:27,530
Steinberg with Chris rutkowski I don't

2513
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:29,030
know you know I always have this theory

2514
01:48:33,340 --> 01:48:31,970
Chris that if the President of the

2515
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:33,350
United States tomorrow

2516
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:36,530
got on TV and said ladies and gentlemen

2517
01:48:42,010 --> 01:48:40,310
we are observing unusual objects in the

2518
01:48:44,170 --> 01:48:42,020
sky that appeared to be intelligently

2519
01:48:47,500 --> 01:48:44,180
controlled they don't appear to

2520
01:48:50,940 --> 01:48:47,510
represent any threat to national

2521
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:50,950
security whatever he says most people

2522
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:54,320
won't believe him and Fox News would get

2523
01:49:01,780 --> 01:48:56,810
on the air and say he's trying to cover

2524
01:49:04,570 --> 01:49:01,790
up in ghazi yes I think there's no

2525
01:49:07,540 --> 01:49:04,580
question that you know we'd like to have

2526
01:49:09,580 --> 01:49:07,550
a scenario where an official would go on

2527
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:09,590
national television and announce that

2528
01:49:14,860 --> 01:49:11,920
the aliens are really here or whatever

2529
01:49:16,780 --> 01:49:14,870
but the fact that many people simply

2530
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:16,790
can't trust their their elected

2531
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:19,250
officials makes that possibility in that

2532
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:22,490
scenario not only unlikely but even it

2533
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:23,840
was to happen it would be completely

2534
01:49:29,590 --> 01:49:26,080
unbelievable it would be incredible and

2535
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:29,600
unbelievable but here's another area

2536
01:49:35,410 --> 01:49:32,690
where Canada is a little different than

2537
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:35,420
the United States there is a UFO report

2538
01:49:42,490 --> 01:49:39,770
in 2004 from oh it was a 2004 2008

2539
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:42,500
anyways it was it was in the mid-2000s

2540
01:49:47,550 --> 01:49:45,890
where a number of pilots so first of all

2541
01:49:49,900 --> 01:49:47,560
these are pilots who are reporting

2542
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:49,910
seeing things that they had seen a

2543
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:52,970
number of UFOs moving in the sky like

2544
01:49:59,140 --> 01:49:56,719
speaking fireballs and so forth and

2545
01:50:02,740 --> 01:49:59,150
we're talking commercial airlines plus

2546
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:02,750
private airlines they reported the their

2547
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:04,730
sightings through official channels

2548
01:50:09,820 --> 01:50:07,730
through national defense and air traffic

2549
01:50:12,729 --> 01:50:09,830
control operators there's a lot of

2550
01:50:14,830 --> 01:50:12,739
chatter going on we have these documents

2551
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:14,840
we we know that a you know something

2552
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:17,090
really happened we know that these

2553
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:18,800
pilots really saw something there's

2554
01:50:22,420 --> 01:50:21,110
corroboration from the various pilots

2555
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:22,430
about what they had seen

2556
01:50:28,450 --> 01:50:25,010
we know this really happened one of the

2557
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:28,460
pilots was the pilot of the aircraft

2558
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:30,130
carrying the Canadian Prime Minister

2559
01:50:35,530 --> 01:50:32,690
while the Canadian Prime Minister was on

2560
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:35,540
board can you imagine if the pilot of

2561
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:38,960
Air Force One admitted publicly or were

2562
01:50:41,979 --> 01:50:40,250
there is documents showing that the

2563
01:50:44,860 --> 01:50:41,989
pilot at Air Force wanted while the

2564
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:44,870
president was on board had seen a UFO

2565
01:50:50,890 --> 01:50:47,090
and that's a quick way to lose your job

2566
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,900
that's that is amazing and you're just

2567
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:52,400
imagine the the attention that that

2568
01:50:58,180 --> 01:50:56,570
would be on CNN or Fox but and yet here

2569
01:50:59,890 --> 01:50:58,190
in Canada we have a document that shows

2570
01:51:01,720 --> 01:50:59,900
that the Prime Minister was on a board

2571
01:51:03,490 --> 01:51:01,730
of playing women when his pilot had seen

2572
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:03,500
a UFO and reported it through official

2573
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:06,290
channels and described it as a UFO

2574
01:51:13,090 --> 01:51:09,370
now here's my my thought if my

2575
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:13,100
commander-in-chief is on board and I've

2576
01:51:19,900 --> 01:51:15,890
seen something really unusual I probably

2577
01:51:21,970 --> 01:51:19,910
would have mentioned it to an aide or to

2578
01:51:23,170 --> 01:51:21,980
my assistant or his assistant saying hey

2579
01:51:25,540 --> 01:51:23,180
you know we should probably tell you

2580
01:51:28,209 --> 01:51:25,550
tell them about this I would be very

2581
01:51:30,130 --> 01:51:28,219
likely that the commander in chief would

2582
01:51:31,689 --> 01:51:30,140
take a look himself especially it was

2583
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:31,699
something that was ongoing in this in

2584
01:51:36,010 --> 01:51:33,050
this case it was ongoing for a number of

2585
01:51:38,290 --> 01:51:36,020
minutes so it's very possible that you

2586
01:51:40,330 --> 01:51:38,300
know we have an elected official of high

2587
01:51:43,420 --> 01:51:40,340
rank we'd seen a UFO - now I have been

2588
01:51:45,970 --> 01:51:43,430
able to get verification of this but you

2589
01:51:47,530 --> 01:51:45,980
know just imagine the difference that

2590
01:51:49,090 --> 01:51:47,540
there is between the two countries or we

2591
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:49,100
can make statements like that and have

2592
01:51:53,380 --> 01:51:51,440
documentation like that and it just

2593
01:51:55,870 --> 01:51:53,390
simply would not happen in the United

2594
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:55,880
States yeah that's that's pretty amazing

2595
01:52:02,200 --> 01:51:58,400
I I had no idea that that particular

2596
01:52:05,890 --> 01:52:02,210
scenario had been documented that's that

2597
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:05,900
is a I think highly significant yeah

2598
01:52:10,750 --> 01:52:07,730
there's someone someone with that kind

2599
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:10,760
of you know fairly high visibility and

2600
01:52:16,690 --> 01:52:13,040
and responsibility to be flying around

2601
01:52:20,670 --> 01:52:16,700
the the chief of state they're reporting

2602
01:52:23,380 --> 01:52:20,680
a UFO sighting Wow while working uh I

2603
01:52:25,390 --> 01:52:23,390
man you would never ever hear anything

2604
01:52:27,580 --> 01:52:25,400
like that coming out of this country

2605
01:52:29,590 --> 01:52:27,590
that's for sure yeah and there's even

2606
01:52:30,940 --> 01:52:29,600
more instances there's a number of

2607
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:30,950
documents that have been released from

2608
01:52:38,890 --> 01:52:36,170
the 1960s now I think where the RCMP the

2609
01:52:42,220 --> 01:52:38,900
the police who were guarding the prime

2610
01:52:44,710 --> 01:52:42,230
minister's residence reported seeing

2611
01:52:46,660 --> 01:52:44,720
UFOs flying overhead and reported to

2612
01:52:49,450 --> 01:52:46,670
their superiors and the documentation is

2613
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:49,460
there in the government files that UFOs

2614
01:52:53,260 --> 01:52:51,530
were seen by the security guards working

2615
01:52:55,090 --> 01:52:53,270
outside the residence that the UFOs are

2616
01:52:58,360 --> 01:52:55,100
flying overhead well can you imagine

2617
01:53:00,280 --> 01:52:58,370
that happening with White House well we

2618
01:53:03,370 --> 01:53:00,290
had something similar with Stevensville

2619
01:53:05,500 --> 01:53:03,380
which was fairly close to the Crawford

2620
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:05,510
ranch where of course George W Bush

2621
01:53:10,030 --> 01:53:07,610
spent quite a bit of time during his

2622
01:53:11,740 --> 01:53:10,040
presidency but but you had the opposite

2623
01:53:13,930 --> 01:53:11,750
you had denials that the object ever

2624
01:53:17,020 --> 01:53:13,940
entered restricted airspace although

2625
01:53:18,850 --> 01:53:17,030
there is some suggested evidence that

2626
01:53:20,980 --> 01:53:18,860
possibly these objects did violate uh

2627
01:53:25,180 --> 01:53:20,990
you know that restricted airspace around

2628
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:25,190
the Crawford ranch that you have denials

2629
01:53:31,420 --> 01:53:28,690
and you have disinformation you have

2630
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:31,430
subterfuge to try to not make that

2631
01:53:35,170 --> 01:53:33,170
connection right let's not make a big

2632
01:53:38,740 --> 01:53:35,180
deal out of it but we're not gonna deny

2633
01:53:41,260 --> 01:53:38,750
it right well here's a question from one

2634
01:53:43,630 --> 01:53:41,270
of our posters at forum dr. Peric ascom

2635
01:53:47,410 --> 01:53:43,640
this comes from sentry who's rapidly

2636
01:53:49,420 --> 01:53:47,420
approaching the 500 post Club you're the

2637
01:53:53,380 --> 01:53:49,430
para cast let me just tell you before we

2638
01:53:58,960 --> 01:53:53,390
go on Chris sentry is an expert on the

2639
01:54:02,290 --> 01:53:58,970
cache Landrum case okay indeed and he is

2640
01:54:04,930 --> 01:54:02,300
mentioning that only a fraction of

2641
01:54:07,570 --> 01:54:04,940
sightings actually generate official

2642
01:54:09,220 --> 01:54:07,580
reports or they bothered to call in and

2643
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:09,230
report it to somebody like yourself or

2644
01:54:15,310 --> 01:54:12,650
Brian Baker or whomever how can we

2645
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:15,320
encourage more good reports to be turned

2646
01:54:20,650 --> 01:54:17,930
in without also boosting the

2647
01:54:22,450 --> 01:54:20,660
uninteresting ones as he puts it or you

2648
01:54:24,859 --> 01:54:22,460
know in other words the misidentified

2649
01:54:26,359 --> 01:54:24,869
mundane celestial object

2650
01:54:29,389 --> 01:54:26,369
the aircraft lights that sort of thing

2651
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:29,399
it is there a way to properly educate

2652
01:54:34,759 --> 01:54:31,530
the public more so than is being done

2653
01:54:36,830 --> 01:54:34,769
now to actually get people to if they

2654
01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:36,840
see something truly high strange to get

2655
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:39,209
get them to report it that's a really

2656
01:54:44,179 --> 01:54:41,340
good question and I think the short

2657
01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:44,189
answer is no that we we really can't

2658
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:45,689
encourage the more good reports without

2659
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:49,199
getting the other reports however one of

2660
01:54:55,009 --> 01:54:52,260
the things that I'm engaged in is a

2661
01:54:57,529 --> 01:54:55,019
science communication neil degrasse

2662
01:54:59,149 --> 01:54:57,539
tyson's cosmos show is wonderful and in

2663
01:55:01,129 --> 01:54:59,159
that sense i know you're getting flack

2664
01:55:03,379 --> 01:55:01,139
for some of the trails and whatever but

2665
01:55:05,750 --> 01:55:03,389
the idea is that i think there's a real

2666
01:55:07,459 --> 01:55:05,760
need for good science communication and

2667
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:07,469
education in our schools

2668
01:55:12,439 --> 01:55:10,320
I mean I'm constantly amazed every year

2669
01:55:14,989 --> 01:55:12,449
every year we do the studies of the

2670
01:55:17,239 --> 01:55:14,999
Canadian UFO survey of the number of

2671
01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:17,249
cases that come in that are obvious

2672
01:55:22,939 --> 01:55:20,729
satellites that are obvious fireballs

2673
01:55:25,279 --> 01:55:22,949
you know debris from collisions with

2674
01:55:26,959 --> 01:55:25,289
comets and so forth the ones that are

2675
01:55:29,689 --> 01:55:26,969
obvious aircraft and the ones that are

2676
01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:29,699
obvious Chinese lanterns and all and the

2677
01:55:34,369 --> 01:55:31,289
fact that somebody could be you know

2678
01:55:35,869 --> 01:55:34,379
watching a a satellite move overhead or

2679
01:55:38,209 --> 01:55:35,879
the International Space Station and

2680
01:55:40,399 --> 01:55:38,219
believe that it's actually a spacecraft

2681
01:55:41,779 --> 01:55:40,409
from another planet

2682
01:55:44,509 --> 01:55:41,789
suggests that there is a need for

2683
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,519
education of the public you know into a

2684
01:55:50,119 --> 01:55:46,800
very very great degree you know a better

2685
01:55:52,250 --> 01:55:50,129
appreciation of science so I'm all for

2686
01:55:54,649 --> 01:55:52,260
that type of thing so I think the more

2687
01:55:57,290 --> 01:55:54,659
opportunities we have for communicating

2688
01:55:59,359 --> 01:55:57,300
to the public about the richness of the

2689
01:56:01,699 --> 01:55:59,369
of the universe and the scientific

2690
01:56:04,909 --> 01:56:01,709
advancements and so forth and maybe

2691
01:56:06,589 --> 01:56:04,919
actual you know all the TV shows instead

2692
01:56:09,259 --> 01:56:06,599
of talking about the fantastic cases

2693
01:56:12,589 --> 01:56:09,269
let's you know have a sort of a you know

2694
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:12,599
ufology 101 on the airwaves you know

2695
01:56:17,569 --> 01:56:15,840
this is what a satellite looks like this

2696
01:56:19,069 --> 01:56:17,579
is what an aircraft looks like this is

2697
01:56:20,839 --> 01:56:19,079
what the International Space Station

2698
01:56:22,489 --> 01:56:20,849
looks like and notice how it looks

2699
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:22,499
pretty strange and let's compare it to

2700
01:56:26,750 --> 01:56:25,050
UFOs that are actually reported I mean

2701
01:56:29,449 --> 01:56:26,760
that would be a lot of fun to do and

2702
01:56:32,029 --> 01:56:29,459
would you know help alleviate that but

2703
01:56:33,649 --> 01:56:32,039
the reality is people are fascinated

2704
01:56:35,509 --> 01:56:33,659
they really want to believe you know

2705
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:35,519
just like the poster says from from

2706
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:37,770
x-files and though there

2707
01:56:43,820 --> 01:56:41,490
this desire or you know being considered

2708
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:43,830
special to be able to see a UFO and have

2709
01:56:48,410 --> 01:56:45,450
some communication personally with

2710
01:56:53,150 --> 01:56:48,420
something that's out there so I think

2711
01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:53,160
there's no real way to eliminate the you

2712
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:55,170
know the bad reports from the good

2713
01:56:58,910 --> 01:56:56,730
reports and every year I think that's

2714
01:57:01,190 --> 01:56:58,920
why it takes a lot of work and I think

2715
01:57:02,780 --> 01:57:01,200
unfortunately that's why there's so few

2716
01:57:05,150 --> 01:57:02,790
of us who are actually doing hard

2717
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:05,160
Studies on the data because it is a lot

2718
01:57:09,710 --> 01:57:07,170
of work I mean it takes months and

2719
01:57:12,620 --> 01:57:09,720
months to go through UFO reports enter

2720
01:57:14,150 --> 01:57:12,630
the data and do the analysis obviously I

2721
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:14,160
was thinking you know and just in

2722
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passing and we'll have to do our break

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shortly that we ought to have a

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with gene and the UFO and paranormal

2823
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researcher formerly known as Chris

2824
02:02:10,470 --> 02:02:07,809
O'Brien and Chris rutkowski we're

2825
02:02:13,259 --> 02:02:10,480
continuing with the discussion starting

2826
02:02:16,319 --> 02:02:13,269
with that Canadian UFO flapping going

2827
02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:16,329
far afield and speaking of going far

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02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:19,360
afield Chris well yes this is another

2829
02:02:25,799 --> 02:02:22,690
question from sentry and it involves a

2830
02:02:28,410 --> 02:02:25,809
recent question posted by rich Reynolds

2831
02:02:30,689 --> 02:02:28,420
at the blog the UFO iconoclast UFOs and

2832
02:02:34,229 --> 02:02:30,699
the Raval was the name of the article

2833
02:02:37,020 --> 02:02:34,239
and his rhetorical question Reynolds

2834
02:02:39,930 --> 02:02:37,030
that is quoted by sentry is who in the

2835
02:02:42,959 --> 02:02:39,940
UFO field UFO world is qualified to

2836
02:02:44,970 --> 02:02:42,969
determine a few falah djegal nonsense as

2837
02:02:47,100 --> 02:02:44,980
validity or not to take the

2838
02:02:49,649 --> 02:02:47,110
reconstituted Roswell Dream Team for

2839
02:02:52,350 --> 02:02:49,659
instance does the one lone objective

2840
02:02:54,540 --> 02:02:52,360
partner wish Bukowski have enough clout

2841
02:02:57,180 --> 02:02:54,550
mental and otherwise to thwart the faith

2842
02:03:00,299 --> 02:02:57,190
obsessed mindsets of his team colleagues

2843
02:03:01,859 --> 02:03:00,309
that is can use them the belief pervert

2844
02:03:05,580 --> 02:03:01,869
the dream team members when their faith

2845
02:03:07,979 --> 02:03:05,590
in the ET hypothesis takes old based on

2846
02:03:10,169 --> 02:03:07,989
very circumscribed evidence long

2847
02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:10,179
question

2848
02:03:15,930 --> 02:03:12,730
short answer no I don't think I have

2849
02:03:18,390 --> 02:03:15,940
enough clout it is true that I'm I'm I

2850
02:03:21,779 --> 02:03:18,400
was asked to be on the the dream team

2851
02:03:25,799 --> 02:03:21,789
and I also have to say that I have not

2852
02:03:29,970 --> 02:03:25,809
received anything that's you know that's

2853
02:03:33,209 --> 02:03:29,980
crossed my desk or email that you know I

2854
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:33,219
prove anything one way or another in

2855
02:03:39,870 --> 02:03:36,250
fact I am very honored that I you know

2856
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:39,880
was selected to kind of be the the veter

2857
02:03:44,939 --> 02:03:42,880
of information or for what is generated

2858
02:03:48,899 --> 02:03:44,949
I have not seen the latest batch of

2859
02:03:50,850 --> 02:03:48,909
photos that were found in somebody's box

2860
02:03:52,799 --> 02:03:50,860
or garage or something that was gonna be

2861
02:03:54,930 --> 02:03:52,809
my next question yeah yeah somebody have

2862
02:03:55,500 --> 02:03:54,940
passed away I've actually not seen the

2863
02:03:59,580 --> 02:03:55,510
photos

2864
02:04:01,529 --> 02:03:59,590
so I can't comment on them the ET

2865
02:04:03,990 --> 02:04:01,539
hypothesis is one that's very very

2866
02:04:06,209 --> 02:04:04,000
persistent and I'm not all that

2867
02:04:09,450 --> 02:04:06,219
convinced that everyone on the dream

2868
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:09,460
team is is really committed to the ET

2869
02:04:13,250 --> 02:04:10,890
hypothesis

2870
02:04:15,890 --> 02:04:13,260
I think there is a commitment that

2871
02:04:18,740 --> 02:04:15,900
something very unusual happened in

2872
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:18,750
Roswell and I think there's enough

2873
02:04:22,130 --> 02:04:20,610
evidence that something very unusual

2874
02:04:24,500 --> 02:04:22,140
happened that it does bear some

2875
02:04:26,780 --> 02:04:24,510
investigation and study the fact that

2876
02:04:29,150 --> 02:04:26,790
there's been such a change in official

2877
02:04:31,370 --> 02:04:29,160
attitude and explanations you know from

2878
02:04:33,580 --> 02:04:31,380
nothing happened at all to well maybe

2879
02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:33,590
something did happen but it was just a

2880
02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:36,450
you know of the Mogul balloon and well

2881
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:38,130
maybe it wasn't just the Boogaloo but

2882
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:39,570
maybe we dropped some dummies as well

2883
02:04:43,100 --> 02:04:41,010
and you know maybe there isn't anything

2884
02:04:45,770 --> 02:04:43,110
in the government records is all and all

2885
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:45,780
maybe we have found some I think the

2886
02:04:49,730 --> 02:04:46,890
fact that there's been such a

2887
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:49,740
fluctuation suggests that there is

2888
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:51,690
something there's some there's something

2889
02:04:56,330 --> 02:04:53,730
that's smoking there whether it's still

2890
02:04:57,560 --> 02:04:56,340
on I heard or not I don't know but I

2891
02:04:58,670 --> 02:04:57,570
think there there's some very

2892
02:05:01,160 --> 02:04:58,680
interesting things have probably

2893
02:05:04,730 --> 02:05:01,170
occurred now the problem is such a long

2894
02:05:07,220 --> 02:05:04,740
time has passed that we no longer have

2895
02:05:08,450 --> 02:05:07,230
first-person accounts we have in fact

2896
02:05:09,890 --> 02:05:08,460
we're getting into the range where we

2897
02:05:14,090 --> 02:05:09,900
don't have second and third person

2898
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:14,100
accounts either no the passing of Marcel

2899
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:17,130
recently was was very sad but you know

2900
02:05:23,090 --> 02:05:19,920
we're going on the fact that you know

2901
02:05:26,570 --> 02:05:23,100
there's there's really no good evidence

2902
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:26,580
that there was a UFO there I mean

2903
02:05:30,860 --> 02:05:29,250
there's there's you know rhetorical arm

2904
02:05:33,290 --> 02:05:30,870
waving that's going on that something

2905
02:05:36,260 --> 02:05:33,300
happened we do have the fact that

2906
02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:36,270
something was was retrieved in terms of

2907
02:05:39,410 --> 02:05:38,250
a UFO case I make the case in one of my

2908
02:05:42,380 --> 02:05:39,420
books though it's actually not a very

2909
02:05:44,540 --> 02:05:42,390
good UFO case nobody saw a UFO in the

2910
02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:44,550
sky land and then you know there's

2911
02:05:49,250 --> 02:05:46,800
debris or material take you know in the

2912
02:05:52,160 --> 02:05:49,260
ground and we it takes off and we're

2913
02:05:54,190 --> 02:05:52,170
able to to look at it again there's many

2914
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:54,200
Close Encounters of the second kind

2915
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:56,850
where that occurs Roswell is not one of

2916
02:06:01,850 --> 02:05:59,280
them out there in fact is very little to

2917
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:01,860
connect what was seen and heard in the

2918
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:03,690
skies you know in and around the

2919
02:06:08,180 --> 02:06:06,210
thunderstorm a few days previous to what

2920
02:06:10,340 --> 02:06:08,190
was found on the on the ground in fact

2921
02:06:12,140 --> 02:06:10,350
it's a greatly faith suggest that that

2922
02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:12,150
was the same thing you know I was

2923
02:06:17,420 --> 02:06:14,370
looking at this new book about UFO

2924
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:17,430
conspiracies from Kevin Randle yeah he

2925
02:06:21,980 --> 02:06:20,010
kind of resurrects or rehashes a lot of

2926
02:06:23,890 --> 02:06:21,990
stuff such as Roswell and we remember

2927
02:06:25,870 --> 02:06:23,900
what originally happened here

2928
02:06:28,380 --> 02:06:25,880
was there was a report that went over

2929
02:06:31,419 --> 02:06:28,390
the wires that they found a flying disc

2930
02:06:33,340 --> 02:06:31,429
and then that changed quickly to a

2931
02:06:35,530 --> 02:06:33,350
balloon they had the photos here's the

2932
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:35,540
balloon it's nothing to it and then the

2933
02:06:40,090 --> 02:06:37,850
case kind of vanished from the scene for

2934
02:06:41,860 --> 02:06:40,100
a number of years and then when they

2935
02:06:44,140 --> 02:06:41,870
came out with the book on Roswell in the

2936
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:44,150
late 70s with Charles Berlitz and

2937
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:47,210
William Moore and Stanton Friedman then

2938
02:06:51,160 --> 02:06:48,650
the whole case is being resurrected

2939
02:06:54,399 --> 02:06:51,170
again but then they were at a point

2940
02:06:56,620 --> 02:06:54,409
where it's 30 years from the original

2941
02:06:59,169 --> 02:06:56,630
event more than 30 years and they're

2942
02:07:01,660 --> 02:06:59,179
trying to reclaim memories of something

2943
02:07:04,209 --> 02:07:01,670
and you think even people who were there

2944
02:07:07,540 --> 02:07:04,219
they've been focused they've been living

2945
02:07:09,880 --> 02:07:07,550
through many many changes in popular

2946
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:09,890
culture and just remembering what really

2947
02:07:13,540 --> 02:07:12,290
happened was difficult yeah I don't I

2948
02:07:16,060 --> 02:07:13,550
don't remember what I had for breakfast

2949
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:16,070
today so I'm not one to talk in that

2950
02:07:22,240 --> 02:07:19,760
regard so I had a raisin bagel yeah I

2951
02:07:23,979 --> 02:07:22,250
mean it's it's it's true you know we're

2952
02:07:27,459 --> 02:07:23,989
looking at things that are a long time

2953
02:07:29,770 --> 02:07:27,469
ago there is a lot of evidence that the

2954
02:07:32,830 --> 02:07:29,780
government can cover-up stuff I mean you

2955
02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:32,840
know as much as people say that there's

2956
02:07:36,910 --> 02:07:34,400
a lot of leaks and we've got Snowden

2957
02:07:39,010 --> 02:07:36,920
doing his his wiki's and things like

2958
02:07:41,649 --> 02:07:39,020
that but I mean you know the Manhattan

2959
02:07:43,180 --> 02:07:41,659
Project went on under the noses of so

2960
02:07:47,110 --> 02:07:43,190
many people for so long

2961
02:07:49,810 --> 02:07:47,120
the corona program which you actually

2962
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:49,820
flew over Canada at one point and was

2963
02:07:57,130 --> 02:07:53,690
dropping satellite films and things like

2964
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:57,140
that being retrieved by by military

2965
02:08:00,100 --> 02:07:58,880
programs and so forth and there were a

2966
02:08:02,979 --> 02:08:00,110
lot of these programs weren't even

2967
02:08:04,570 --> 02:08:02,989
admitted until dozens and dozens and

2968
02:08:06,459 --> 02:08:04,580
dozens of years after that they were

2969
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:06,469
they were classified early finding out

2970
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:09,050
about them now so I think secrets can be

2971
02:08:14,110 --> 02:08:11,690
kept also the thing to remember is that

2972
02:08:16,479 --> 02:08:14,120
that area around Roswell I mean that was

2973
02:08:19,209 --> 02:08:16,489
this was Operation Paperclip time this

2974
02:08:22,660 --> 02:08:19,219
was spiriting away German scientists to

2975
02:08:24,479 --> 02:08:22,670
work on v2 rockets following the war so

2976
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:24,489
there was a lot of highly classified

2977
02:08:30,459 --> 02:08:28,010
very very important military objectives

2978
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:30,469
that we're going on at that time Stan

2979
02:08:34,479 --> 02:08:32,239
freedom makes the point of one of the

2980
02:08:37,390 --> 02:08:34,489
site of one of the first nuclear missile

2981
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:37,400
bases I mean there's a lot of stuff that

2982
02:08:39,310 --> 02:08:37,760
suggests

2983
02:08:41,649 --> 02:08:39,320
something very highly classified was

2984
02:08:45,100 --> 02:08:41,659
going on in that particular area whether

2985
02:08:46,509 --> 02:08:45,110
it's alien landing or crashes or

2986
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:46,519
whatever or something a little more

2987
02:08:51,459 --> 02:08:49,010
mundane I think it's interesting that

2988
02:08:53,020 --> 02:08:51,469
people are pursuing this I suspect that

2989
02:08:55,419 --> 02:08:53,030
you know there's an interesting story

2990
02:08:57,580 --> 02:08:55,429
there but will we ever find out really

2991
02:09:00,009 --> 02:08:57,590
what went on given all the subterfuge

2992
02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:00,019
that's gone on in intervening years I'm

2993
02:09:03,609 --> 02:09:02,090
not sure I'm sure the original site has

2994
02:09:05,410 --> 02:09:03,619
been scrubbed clean no matter how many

2995
02:09:07,450 --> 02:09:05,420
times you might want to go there with a

2996
02:09:11,109 --> 02:09:07,460
metal detector if that's the site at all

2997
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:11,119
I think any official documents real

2998
02:09:15,339 --> 02:09:13,280
really detailing what light on have been

2999
02:09:16,689 --> 02:09:15,349
shredded and disposed of long ago

3000
02:09:19,089 --> 02:09:16,699
they're not going to be filed and

3001
02:09:21,220 --> 02:09:19,099
sitting in some some dusty basement on a

3002
02:09:24,580 --> 02:09:21,230
military base and all the people

3003
02:09:26,049 --> 02:09:24,590
involved are either passed on or have

3004
02:09:28,209 --> 02:09:26,059
been sworn to such a high level of

3005
02:09:30,399 --> 02:09:28,219
secrecy that they'll take it with them

3006
02:09:32,229 --> 02:09:30,409
to their graves now having said that I

3007
02:09:34,089 --> 02:09:32,239
don't know what to make of some of the

3008
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:34,099
deathbed confessions that have been prop

3009
02:09:39,729 --> 02:09:37,610
copying are now popping up recently by

3010
02:09:41,649 --> 02:09:39,739
supposed military officers I know we

3011
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:41,659
don't have any proof of who these people

3012
02:09:47,140 --> 02:09:45,050
are there's no follow-up interviews but

3013
02:09:48,819 --> 02:09:47,150
they're interesting stories so I suspect

3014
02:09:51,279 --> 02:09:48,829
that something very interesting and

3015
02:09:53,799 --> 02:09:51,289
unusual and maybe earth-shattering

3016
02:09:56,169 --> 02:09:53,809
occurred that is given a rise to the

3017
02:09:58,450 --> 02:09:56,179
Roswell story but I would not be

3018
02:10:00,399 --> 02:09:58,460
surprised at all if we simply never find

3019
02:10:02,020 --> 02:10:00,409
out what really went on I'm learning ask

3020
02:10:04,180 --> 02:10:02,030
one more question about Roswell and I

3021
02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:04,190
think a lot of our listeners are sick

3022
02:10:08,290 --> 02:10:06,530
and tired of hearing of the case but

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I've also maintained if there is one

3024
02:10:14,890 --> 02:10:12,409
case that demonstrates UFOs are real and

3025
02:10:17,740 --> 02:10:14,900
something unusual that's all we need

3026
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anyway Chris Bukowski joins us with KK

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[Music]

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this is Jacques Vallee you're listening

3134
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to the podcast the gold standard of

3135
02:14:57,030 --> 02:14:54,880
paranormal radio I think aku should try

3136
02:14:58,590 --> 02:14:57,040
to invent a different voice so when

3137
02:15:01,200 --> 02:14:58,600
you're Kay Kay Barnes instead of Chris

3138
02:15:06,300 --> 02:15:01,210
O'Brien we don't get back infuse it

3139
02:15:08,310 --> 02:15:06,310
aghast okay I don't know about that no

3140
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:08,320
that was a good impression of John Wayne

3141
02:15:11,700 --> 02:15:10,090
I thought wasn't it it's the impression

3142
02:15:13,140 --> 02:15:11,710
of something I'm not really quite sure

3143
02:15:17,100 --> 02:15:13,150
what that something is

3144
02:15:20,670 --> 02:15:17,110
Lapera gasps all right well maybe have

3145
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Chris the other Chris do that

3146
02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:22,690
announcement in our next segment okay

3147
02:15:29,490 --> 02:15:26,290
let's continue briefly about Roswell

3148
02:15:32,220 --> 02:15:29,500
now if Roswell is not a balloon if

3149
02:15:34,680 --> 02:15:32,230
Roswell was not a test aircraft if it's

3150
02:15:37,110 --> 02:15:34,690
some kind of alien ship that ship has to

3151
02:15:37,680 --> 02:15:37,120
be somewhere the wreckage has to be

3152
02:15:41,490 --> 02:15:37,690
somewhere

3153
02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:41,500
if bodies were recovered at the Roswell

3154
02:15:47,940 --> 02:15:44,370
scene those bodies have to be somewhere

3155
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:47,950
someone has to be investigating this so

3156
02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:50,710
people out there have guilty knowledge

3157
02:15:55,530 --> 02:15:53,890
of Roswell because people are doing this

3158
02:15:57,840 --> 02:15:55,540
research especially if it's involving

3159
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:57,850
reverse engineering and I'm not talking

3160
02:16:03,570 --> 02:16:00,400
of course about velcro and night-vision

3161
02:16:06,740 --> 02:16:03,580
goggles and the stuff from Phil Corsos

3162
02:16:11,460 --> 02:16:06,750
book I'm talking about something where

3163
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:11,470
we have a real event where is the

3164
02:16:16,890 --> 02:16:14,290
wreckage where's the proof who has it or

3165
02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:16,900
is it hidden away somewhere in warehouse

3166
02:16:21,630 --> 02:16:18,850
13 and people forgot about it that

3167
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:21,640
doesn't make sense either so what's your

3168
02:16:25,890 --> 02:16:23,530
perception about that Chris you know

3169
02:16:28,380 --> 02:16:25,900
there's there's a lot of ifs there and

3170
02:16:30,420 --> 02:16:28,390
you know the reality is if if there had

3171
02:16:33,620 --> 02:16:30,430
been a crashed or something was

3172
02:16:36,990 --> 02:16:33,630
retrieved and and where do you put it

3173
02:16:43,500 --> 02:16:37,000
given the the fact that everybody has

3174
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:43,510
heard of of of area 51 and hangar 13 and

3175
02:16:47,310 --> 02:16:45,280
whatever you know that's the least

3176
02:16:50,100 --> 02:16:47,320
likely place that it's gonna be I mean

3177
02:16:51,090 --> 02:16:50,110
they found Einstein's brain in a

3178
02:16:53,970 --> 02:16:51,100
mayonnaise

3179
02:16:57,180 --> 02:16:53,980
in Kansas in somebody's office you know

3180
02:16:59,970 --> 02:16:57,190
who knows where pieces of debris from a

3181
02:17:02,100 --> 02:16:59,980
crashed UFO might end up it could be

3182
02:17:03,230 --> 02:17:02,110
literally anywhere possibly not even in

3183
02:17:05,670 --> 02:17:03,240
the United States anymore

3184
02:17:08,010 --> 02:17:05,680
there's doorstop and Dick Cheney's

3185
02:17:10,500 --> 02:17:08,020
bunker did Dick Cheney's bunker yeah

3186
02:17:14,041 --> 02:17:10,510
yeah and so Dick Cheney wakes up every

3187
02:17:16,830 --> 02:17:14,051
morning and he sees across the hall the

3188
02:17:20,300 --> 02:17:16,840
wreckage from the Roswell spaceship okay

3189
02:17:22,860 --> 02:17:20,310
so we've got a new rumor started now

3190
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:22,870
absolutely and he probably puts his feet

3191
02:17:27,560 --> 02:17:24,090
up on it when he's reading the paper

3192
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:27,570
well you know his new heart is alien

3193
02:17:33,360 --> 02:17:30,370
it was reverse engineered absolutely

3194
02:17:34,800 --> 02:17:33,370
right Dick Cheney has a heart well you

3195
02:17:38,340 --> 02:17:34,810
know the other thing I like to say I've

3196
02:17:41,041 --> 02:17:38,350
actually I I've used this a few times in

3197
02:17:44,370 --> 02:17:41,051
my talks and I say I finally have proof

3198
02:17:46,410 --> 02:17:44,380
that aliens have come down to earth and

3199
02:17:48,180 --> 02:17:46,420
taken over the minds and bodies of

3200
02:17:51,180 --> 02:17:48,190
humans because how else can you explain

3201
02:17:53,490 --> 02:17:51,190
Rob Ford surely people in the United

3202
02:17:56,430 --> 02:17:53,500
States have heard of Rob port yes we

3203
02:17:57,900 --> 02:17:56,440
have so there you go but then some

3204
02:17:59,940 --> 02:17:57,910
people say the same thing about Dick

3205
02:18:01,440 --> 02:17:59,950
Cheney that Dick Cheney or Chris

3206
02:18:04,110 --> 02:18:01,450
Christie or any number of people

3207
02:18:05,910 --> 02:18:04,120
absolutely oh we're getting to politics

3208
02:18:07,950 --> 02:18:05,920
here people are going to be freaking

3209
02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:07,960
when we get involved in the politics but

3210
02:18:12,541 --> 02:18:10,330
you get the point here a lot of ifs if

3211
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:12,551
we have the spaceship it's got to be

3212
02:18:19,020 --> 02:18:15,930
somewhere people are working at it or

3213
02:18:20,910 --> 02:18:19,030
would it have been moved to private

3214
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:20,920
industry because that way the secrets

3215
02:18:26,490 --> 02:18:24,010
kept better well of course there's a you

3216
02:18:27,630 --> 02:18:26,500
know private industry and and military

3217
02:18:30,180 --> 02:18:27,640
technology there's a lot of

3218
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:30,190
cross-pollination going on you have to

3219
02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:31,930
understand that some of the major

3220
02:18:37,650 --> 02:18:35,530
companies Lockheed and and Hughes and

3221
02:18:40,160 --> 02:18:37,660
even he left Packard in places on IBM

3222
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:40,170
you know there's a sort of a military

3223
02:18:44,430 --> 02:18:42,250
injection going on and there's there's

3224
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:44,440
working on both sides so whether it's in

3225
02:18:51,390 --> 02:18:47,370
industry totally or in sort of a hybrid

3226
02:18:53,520 --> 02:18:51,400
who knows I wouldn't at all be surprised

3227
02:18:55,350 --> 02:18:53,530
if the technology and what they found in

3228
02:18:57,210 --> 02:18:55,360
Roswell was so far in advance that they

3229
02:19:00,570 --> 02:18:57,220
haven't figured it out yet forget about

3230
02:19:03,030 --> 02:19:00,580
you know reverse engineering the old

3231
02:19:05,009 --> 02:19:03,040
argument about if you gave Leonardo da

3232
02:19:06,419 --> 02:19:05,019
Vinci an iPhone would he be able to undo

3233
02:19:09,540 --> 02:19:06,429
Stanwell how it works and would he be

3234
02:19:11,759 --> 02:19:09,550
able to duplicate it in and his day had

3235
02:19:13,620 --> 02:19:11,769
given his technology no it would sit on

3236
02:19:15,450 --> 02:19:13,630
his shelf and he would have no idea

3237
02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:15,460
I need take it apart but he would have

3238
02:19:20,009 --> 02:19:17,920
absolutely no idea some of the concepts

3239
02:19:22,169 --> 02:19:20,019
and processes involved on about how the

3240
02:19:24,839 --> 02:19:22,179
thing could work you know if we do have

3241
02:19:27,809 --> 02:19:24,849
a chunk of a spaceship from a

3242
02:19:30,299 --> 02:19:27,819
civilization that somehow got here it

3243
02:19:31,859 --> 02:19:30,309
might be so foreign that we have no idea

3244
02:19:33,629 --> 02:19:31,869
what some of the function was and how to

3245
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:33,639
recreate it I mean we're sort of fooling

3246
02:19:37,889 --> 02:19:35,439
ourselves when we think and we'd be able

3247
02:19:39,389 --> 02:19:37,899
to understand alien technology one of

3248
02:19:42,450 --> 02:19:39,399
the things that astronomers do we start

3249
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:42,460
speculating about what the advanced

3250
02:19:48,269 --> 02:19:45,010
civilizations are like I mean our Sun is

3251
02:19:50,519 --> 02:19:48,279
an average star there are stars that are

3252
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:50,529
millions of years older than our Sun

3253
02:19:57,630 --> 02:19:53,680
that are about the same age and in terms

3254
02:19:59,639 --> 02:19:57,640
of astronomical figures the same

3255
02:20:02,099 --> 02:19:59,649
temperature they will have planets the

3256
02:20:05,399 --> 02:20:02,109
same you know we are holding in our

3257
02:20:07,590 --> 02:20:05,409
hands sometimes a example of the iPhone

3258
02:20:09,300 --> 02:20:07,600
you know 20 years ago that was

3259
02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:09,310
completely ridiculous and for Posterous

3260
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:10,329
to think that you could have a device

3261
02:20:15,510 --> 02:20:13,930
like that to communicate with well 20

3262
02:20:17,010 --> 02:20:15,520
years from now what are you gonna be

3263
02:20:18,510 --> 02:20:17,020
holding in your hand if you're gonna be

3264
02:20:20,609 --> 02:20:18,520
holding anything in your hand at all

3265
02:20:23,580 --> 02:20:20,619
what are you gonna be communicating with

3266
02:20:27,479 --> 02:20:23,590
others with in 50 years in a hundred

3267
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:27,489
years in a thousand years and I've said

3268
02:20:31,550 --> 02:20:29,680
that you know the there's stars similar

3269
02:20:34,109 --> 02:20:31,560
in temperature to our Sun with planets

3270
02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:34,119
that could be a million years in advance

3271
02:20:38,849 --> 02:20:36,850
well let's just be a little a little

3272
02:20:40,889 --> 02:20:38,859
more pessimistic let's say there's a

3273
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:40,899
civilization out there that's only a

3274
02:20:47,010 --> 02:20:43,210
hundred thousand years more in advanced

3275
02:20:48,719 --> 02:20:47,020
than us oh I mean will they have been

3276
02:20:50,790 --> 02:20:48,729
able to figure out how to travel between

3277
02:20:52,590 --> 02:20:50,800
the stars how would they communicate

3278
02:20:55,080 --> 02:20:52,600
what would their ships look like would

3279
02:20:58,349 --> 02:20:55,090
we even recognize them as ships but

3280
02:21:01,950 --> 02:20:58,359
silly things like radar be easily enough

3281
02:21:04,410 --> 02:21:01,960
to dismiss and hide from I mean we have

3282
02:21:08,250 --> 02:21:04,420
simply no idea of the technology of the

3283
02:21:11,130 --> 02:21:08,260
future so in that case it would be so

3284
02:21:13,679 --> 02:21:11,140
alien so advanced it would just be

3285
02:21:16,500 --> 02:21:13,689
sitting there and they might as well put

3286
02:21:18,450 --> 02:21:16,510
it on ice or stick it in the bottom of

3287
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:18,460
this warehouse 13 because they couldn't

3288
02:21:21,010 --> 02:21:18,800
fit

3289
02:21:22,690 --> 02:21:21,020
get out but then if they recovered

3290
02:21:25,360 --> 02:21:22,700
bodies that's another story

3291
02:21:26,889 --> 02:21:25,370
yes if they recovered bodies that would

3292
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:26,899
certainly you know be a little bit

3293
02:21:34,300 --> 02:21:30,319
different and you know there's I know

3294
02:21:35,710 --> 02:21:34,310
the you know the stories about you know

3295
02:21:37,240 --> 02:21:35,720
the bodies being some of them being

3296
02:21:38,740 --> 02:21:37,250
alive some of them working in

3297
02:21:40,630 --> 02:21:38,750
conjunction with alien with the

3298
02:21:43,330 --> 02:21:40,640
Americans and the underground bases and

3299
02:21:47,530 --> 02:21:43,340
Dulce and things like that I mean to me

3300
02:21:51,550 --> 02:21:47,540
those are pretty fanciful stories but if

3301
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:51,560
there were their bodies inside that

3302
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:53,930
would certainly help us you know and

3303
02:21:57,219 --> 02:21:55,010
trying to understand where they were

3304
02:21:58,690 --> 02:21:57,229
from and what the technology was like my

3305
02:22:01,090 --> 02:21:58,700
guess is they probably want the bodies

3306
02:22:03,429 --> 02:22:01,100
back well the other assumption here is

3307
02:22:05,740 --> 02:22:03,439
why would we consider them to be even

3308
02:22:08,889 --> 02:22:05,750
living things they could be robots of

3309
02:22:10,450 --> 02:22:08,899
some sort cyborgs whatever yeah and the

3310
02:22:12,130 --> 02:22:10,460
reality is you know we're living in the

3311
02:22:15,610 --> 02:22:12,140
Steven Spielberg generation where

3312
02:22:18,070 --> 02:22:15,620
anything and everything is possible so

3313
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:18,080
we are you know this allows us to be

3314
02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:20,450
spurred into thinking about our universe

3315
02:22:26,200 --> 02:22:23,330
in different and fairly remarkable ways

3316
02:22:28,540 --> 02:22:26,210
and the people who are working in labs

3317
02:22:30,760 --> 02:22:28,550
and are the engineers and the physicists

3318
02:22:34,809 --> 02:22:30,770
of today they grew up watching Star Trek

3319
02:22:36,490 --> 02:22:34,819
on TV and Buffy and x-files and things

3320
02:22:39,490 --> 02:22:36,500
like that there the possibility is

3321
02:22:41,530 --> 02:22:39,500
endless for developing concepts and

3322
02:22:43,809 --> 02:22:41,540
enlarging one's mind in one's world so

3323
02:22:45,010 --> 02:22:43,819
now a lot of this is advancing the fact

3324
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:45,020
that the science fiction actually

3325
02:22:51,309 --> 02:22:48,319
advances science more than people credit

3326
02:22:54,969 --> 02:22:51,319
it so in fact you know it's a wonderful

3327
02:22:56,650 --> 02:22:54,979
way to encourage youth in schools to

3328
02:22:58,750 --> 02:22:56,660
think in terms of science is to get them

3329
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:58,760
going and talking about some of the

3330
02:23:03,550 --> 02:23:01,520
science fiction concepts and I you know

3331
02:23:05,620 --> 02:23:03,560
do the same thing with UFOs I encourage

3332
02:23:07,030 --> 02:23:05,630
young people to talk about you know if

3333
02:23:08,740 --> 02:23:07,040
there were aliens would they look like

3334
02:23:10,990 --> 02:23:08,750
this but they have two eyes would they

3335
02:23:12,250 --> 02:23:11,000
necessarily have two legs how would they

3336
02:23:14,050 --> 02:23:12,260
travel what would they breathe what

3337
02:23:15,820 --> 02:23:14,060
would they eat how they communicate all

3338
02:23:18,820 --> 02:23:15,830
these wondrous things to get people

3339
02:23:20,830 --> 02:23:18,830
thinking and talking about who we are

3340
02:23:23,260 --> 02:23:20,840
not necessarily about what aliens are

3341
02:23:25,840 --> 02:23:23,270
like but who we are and can you really

3342
02:23:28,059 --> 02:23:25,850
understand what humans are like by

3343
02:23:31,300 --> 02:23:28,069
looking outward and you wonder if that

3344
02:23:32,970 --> 02:23:31,310
isn't part of the purpose of UFOs make

3345
02:23:35,230 --> 02:23:32,980
us think about the

3346
02:23:37,330 --> 02:23:35,240
absolutely and what a wonderful way of

3347
02:23:39,190 --> 02:23:37,340
doing it you know jumpstart some sort of

3348
02:23:40,990 --> 02:23:39,200
evolutionary imperative a survival

3349
02:23:43,180 --> 02:23:41,000
strategy to get the human race off this

3350
02:23:46,450 --> 02:23:43,190
planet before you know the Sun goes

3351
02:23:49,230 --> 02:23:46,460
supernova or we get a really bad coronal

3352
02:23:52,511 --> 02:23:49,240
mass ejection or get hit by an asteroid

3353
02:23:55,270 --> 02:23:52,521
you know this this could be a way that

3354
02:23:57,640 --> 02:23:55,280
we are fooling ourselves to invigorate

3355
02:23:59,680 --> 02:23:57,650
our efforts to actually get out there

3356
02:24:02,070 --> 02:23:59,690
and seed our gene pool out into the

3357
02:24:04,900 --> 02:24:02,080
Stars and makes a lot of sense the main

3358
02:24:07,180 --> 02:24:04,910
Roswell because if Roswell is a physical

3359
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:07,190
craft that was physically recovered then

3360
02:24:11,890 --> 02:24:09,530
that goes against that mean but then

3361
02:24:14,530 --> 02:24:11,900
there are others to argue about we have

3362
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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with Gene and KK in Chris rutkowski we

3459
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were focusing there about the

3460
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possibilities of the UFO mystery and

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what it means to people if only to make

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us think about the future that in and of

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itself regardless of whether their

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spaceships are not tends to make it

3465
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really fascinating all right when we ask

3466
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you one more thing about the dream team

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before we leave that subject may be

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forever now when I talked to Kevin

3469
02:29:30,791 --> 02:29:28,311
Randle about this a couple of times on

3470
02:29:33,011 --> 02:29:30,801
the show he said the purpose was to kind

3471
02:29:35,951 --> 02:29:33,021
of look at the Roswell evidence is a

3472
02:29:38,081 --> 02:29:35,961
cold case to see if anything new could

3473
02:29:40,571 --> 02:29:38,091
be learned about it now except for the

3474
02:29:43,121 --> 02:29:40,581
story about the slides in the attic

3475
02:29:45,190 --> 02:29:43,131
which we haven't heard much more about

3476
02:29:47,650 --> 02:29:45,200
are we getting anywhere at all is there

3477
02:29:50,110 --> 02:29:47,660
any progress being made towards coming

3478
02:29:53,591 --> 02:29:50,120
up with more answers about Roswell I

3479
02:29:55,871 --> 02:29:53,601
have not had much coming my way recently

3480
02:29:58,841 --> 02:29:55,881
in terms of the progress I know that

3481
02:30:00,671 --> 02:29:58,851
there that Kevin's working at it that

3482
02:30:03,281 --> 02:30:00,681
there's some talk about another

3483
02:30:05,350 --> 02:30:03,291
expedition back at the site there's at

3484
02:30:08,560 --> 02:30:05,360
this point you're talking about trying

3485
02:30:11,081 --> 02:30:08,570
to track down you know third and fourth

3486
02:30:13,031 --> 02:30:11,091
hand sources who's going to testify that

3487
02:30:14,831 --> 02:30:13,041
somebody had said they really saw

3488
02:30:17,650 --> 02:30:14,841
something and that something really

3489
02:30:19,600 --> 02:30:17,660
existed and it's it's a matter of you

3490
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:19,610
know as you would yourself said you know

3491
02:30:24,520 --> 02:30:21,530
somebody out there has information it's

3492
02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:24,530
a matter of finding that person and one

3493
02:30:28,690 --> 02:30:26,570
of the ways that police work cold cases

3494
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:28,700
is that they really extend their net

3495
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:31,490
wider and wider and wider and begin to

3496
02:30:35,831 --> 02:30:34,160
look at every available tip that they

3497
02:30:38,220 --> 02:30:35,841
had received and see if there's anything

3498
02:30:41,860 --> 02:30:38,230
that makes sense into a larger picture

3499
02:30:43,480 --> 02:30:41,870
and you know that's that's one of the

3500
02:30:45,461 --> 02:30:43,490
things that the dream team is looking

3501
02:30:48,730 --> 02:30:45,471
for now whether there's anything out

3502
02:30:52,600 --> 02:30:48,740
there to be found or not I don't know

3503
02:30:55,060 --> 02:30:52,610
but you know it is as we spoink I'm a go

3504
02:30:58,390 --> 02:30:55,070
and a lot of people's memories are are

3505
02:31:00,281 --> 02:30:58,400
gone a lot of the people who you know

3506
02:31:03,281 --> 02:31:00,291
will have had information have passed

3507
02:31:05,951 --> 02:31:03,291
away and the documents themselves are

3508
02:31:09,911 --> 02:31:05,961
probably not around anymore but the

3509
02:31:11,591 --> 02:31:09,921
possibility is there and that's why that

3510
02:31:13,781 --> 02:31:11,601
a lot of people refuse to give up on

3511
02:31:14,229 --> 02:31:13,791
this particular case like you say it's

3512
02:31:16,719 --> 02:31:14,239
sort of

3513
02:31:20,829 --> 02:31:16,729
the Holy Grail is the case that could

3514
02:31:22,869 --> 02:31:20,839
prove things one way or another and that

3515
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:22,879
is why people are really dogged ly

3516
02:31:27,639 --> 02:31:24,890
pursuing it well I would think Chris

3517
02:31:31,499 --> 02:31:27,649
with all the material that was allegedly

3518
02:31:34,630 --> 02:31:31,509
collected by the military that somehow

3519
02:31:36,639 --> 02:31:34,640
someone sometimes somewhere would have

3520
02:31:38,979 --> 02:31:36,649
squirreled away a piece of that memory

3521
02:31:41,590 --> 02:31:38,989
metal like material and that it would

3522
02:31:43,719 --> 02:31:41,600
have surfaced by now I that's a very

3523
02:31:45,309 --> 02:31:43,729
good good point you know somewhere

3524
02:31:47,800 --> 02:31:45,319
somebody had a little piece of metal

3525
02:31:49,619 --> 02:31:47,810
that's sprung up is that when you

3526
02:31:52,420 --> 02:31:49,629
squashed it and that would be enough to

3527
02:31:54,099 --> 02:31:52,430
you know to keep you going and try and

3528
02:31:56,499 --> 02:31:54,109
duplicate it and there's been some

3529
02:31:58,329 --> 02:31:56,509
suggestion you know that some labs and

3530
02:32:02,170 --> 02:31:58,339
some universities have had such things

3531
02:32:05,139 --> 02:32:02,180
and that's that's what's you know kept

3532
02:32:07,210 --> 02:32:05,149
going on in a lot of research but you

3533
02:32:09,849 --> 02:32:07,220
know why hasn't that person come forward

3534
02:32:11,590 --> 02:32:09,859
I don't know I mean you can you know put

3535
02:32:12,969 --> 02:32:11,600
on your paranoid hat and say that they

3536
02:32:15,460 --> 02:32:12,979
were threatened with death of their

3537
02:32:17,769 --> 02:32:15,470
families and all their livelihood and so

3538
02:32:19,090 --> 02:32:17,779
forth if they said anything and you know

3539
02:32:21,309 --> 02:32:19,100
that would certainly keep a lot of

3540
02:32:22,929 --> 02:32:21,319
people from talking whether you know

3541
02:32:25,809 --> 02:32:22,939
would be possible to put a such a lid on

3542
02:32:28,569 --> 02:32:25,819
it that nobody talked that remains to be

3543
02:32:30,340 --> 02:32:28,579
seen but again the government does keep

3544
02:32:32,409 --> 02:32:30,350
secrets and there's been proof that it

3545
02:32:34,119 --> 02:32:32,419
has been you know the black projects

3546
02:32:36,819 --> 02:32:34,129
that are approved every year by Congress

3547
02:32:39,340 --> 02:32:36,829
are of the hundreds of millions of

3548
02:32:42,399 --> 02:32:39,350
dollars and we have no idea what a lot

3549
02:32:44,109 --> 02:32:42,409
of that stuff goes for so there are

3550
02:32:47,380 --> 02:32:44,119
secrets being kept are some of them

3551
02:32:49,359 --> 02:32:47,390
related to UFOs and and Roswell I have

3552
02:32:51,849 --> 02:32:49,369
no idea but that's what keeps a lot of

3553
02:32:54,429 --> 02:32:51,859
people going on on this whole Roswell

3554
02:32:56,889 --> 02:32:54,439
thing is there a point here where you

3555
02:32:59,199 --> 02:32:56,899
say you know what we've done everything

3556
02:33:01,389 --> 02:32:59,209
we can about Roswell we're just gonna

3557
02:33:03,249 --> 02:33:01,399
have to set it aside for now well I

3558
02:33:06,609 --> 02:33:03,259
think that's what a lot of people have

3559
02:33:08,409 --> 02:33:06,619
done I think Kevin and the team I guess

3560
02:33:10,569 --> 02:33:08,419
they are looking at it as a cold case so

3561
02:33:12,939 --> 02:33:10,579
they're pursuing it in in a lot of ways

3562
02:33:16,630 --> 02:33:12,949
and cold cases sometimes take many

3563
02:33:18,399 --> 02:33:16,640
decades to to arrive at fruition so I I

3564
02:33:20,889 --> 02:33:18,409
think there's a lot of other things that

3565
02:33:23,349 --> 02:33:20,899
they're working on but they're just not

3566
02:33:25,569 --> 02:33:23,359
letting go I mean there was a news

3567
02:33:27,819 --> 02:33:25,579
report just today that somebody believed

3568
02:33:30,069 --> 02:33:27,829
they found the Holy Grail like the gray

3569
02:33:32,079 --> 02:33:30,079
like the cup and how long have people

3570
02:33:34,479 --> 02:33:32,089
been searching for that besides Indiana

3571
02:33:35,769 --> 02:33:34,489
Jones so you know there's there these

3572
02:33:38,199 --> 02:33:35,779
things that people are gonna be

3573
02:33:40,389 --> 02:33:38,209
searching for for a long time maybe it's

3574
02:33:42,550 --> 02:33:40,399
just that one bit of evidence that is

3575
02:33:45,369 --> 02:33:42,560
required and it'll blow everything up

3576
02:33:47,260 --> 02:33:45,379
and we'll have the answers but until

3577
02:33:51,010 --> 02:33:47,270
that point we just we just simply don't

3578
02:33:52,959 --> 02:33:51,020
know oh I think we'll just stop the

3579
02:33:54,519 --> 02:33:52,969
discussions of Roswell but every time we

3580
02:33:58,419 --> 02:33:54,529
do and every time we promise to do that

3581
02:34:01,869 --> 02:33:58,429
people are still coming back right chris

3582
02:34:04,869 --> 02:34:01,879
wachowsky do you think we'll ever in our

3583
02:34:08,529 --> 02:34:04,879
lifetimes have some real answers about

3584
02:34:11,260 --> 02:34:08,539
UFOs I would have to say in our

3585
02:34:12,879 --> 02:34:11,270
lifetimes don't and it's not that I'm

3586
02:34:15,550 --> 02:34:12,889
being pessimistic I think that the

3587
02:34:17,619 --> 02:34:15,560
question is so complicated and we were

3588
02:34:18,899 --> 02:34:17,629
really even if we are a year away from

3589
02:34:21,729 --> 02:34:18,909
the discovery of an earth-like planet

3590
02:34:25,599 --> 02:34:21,739
for many years away from contact with

3591
02:34:28,209 --> 02:34:25,609
other civilizations in our galaxy unless

3592
02:34:30,639 --> 02:34:28,219
they take the move and contact us yeah

3593
02:34:32,379 --> 02:34:30,649
absolutely I mean if they might want to

3594
02:34:34,149 --> 02:34:32,389
be contacting us and maybe they're

3595
02:34:35,649 --> 02:34:34,159
broadcasting on a frequency right now

3596
02:34:38,369 --> 02:34:35,659
that we're just not paying attention to

3597
02:34:40,809 --> 02:34:38,379
but I think there will be communication

3598
02:34:43,959 --> 02:34:40,819
eventually between other civilizations

3599
02:34:46,209 --> 02:34:43,969
in our galaxy but right now right now

3600
02:34:49,119 --> 02:34:46,219
we're just focusing on radio waves and

3601
02:34:51,519 --> 02:34:49,129
and optical resources so maybe there's

3602
02:34:52,989 --> 02:34:51,529
something else we're not trying no also

3603
02:34:55,629 --> 02:34:52,999
you have to think here if we establish

3604
02:34:57,999 --> 02:34:55,639
radio communication either it takes

3605
02:35:00,609 --> 02:34:58,009
decades or centuries or they're using

3606
02:35:02,589 --> 02:35:00,619
subspace radio or yeah something that we

3607
02:35:05,229 --> 02:35:02,599
haven't been able to the tap into yet

3608
02:35:08,829 --> 02:35:05,239
and the UFO phenomenon is gonna continue

3609
02:35:10,719 --> 02:35:08,839
on I mean you know I although I you know

3610
02:35:11,949 --> 02:35:10,729
believe that there's alien civilizations

3611
02:35:14,229 --> 02:35:11,959
out there you know I don't I'm the

3612
02:35:16,329 --> 02:35:14,239
doubting Thomas I I don't see the the

3613
02:35:17,889 --> 02:35:16,339
proof that they really are here at the

3614
02:35:20,649 --> 02:35:17,899
same time there's a real phenomenon

3615
02:35:22,809 --> 02:35:20,659
because that's what my data suggests but

3616
02:35:25,059 --> 02:35:22,819
saying the two are related is not

3617
02:35:27,489 --> 02:35:25,069
completely valid yet so they're there's

3618
02:35:30,099 --> 02:35:27,499
a relationship but in what form does

3619
02:35:31,929 --> 02:35:30,109
that make I mean it's possible that what

3620
02:35:34,089 --> 02:35:31,939
people are reporting are some you know

3621
02:35:35,529 --> 02:35:34,099
military operations that are classified

3622
02:35:38,079 --> 02:35:35,539
secret it's possible that there's a

3623
02:35:40,749 --> 02:35:38,089
natural phenomenon it's possible that

3624
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:40,759
there's some hitherto unexplored other

3625
02:35:43,660 --> 02:35:41,600
atmospheric

3626
02:35:45,849 --> 02:35:43,670
domina is possible that there know as a

3627
02:35:47,260 --> 02:35:45,859
whole series of things but I think it's

3628
02:35:47,769 --> 02:35:47,270
important others ten minutes in the

3629
02:35:50,109 --> 02:35:47,779
building

3630
02:35:52,450 --> 02:35:50,119
pardon me other tenants and other

3631
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:52,460
tenants in the building it's important

3632
02:35:59,080 --> 02:35:54,290
for the scientific community to take

3633
02:36:00,760 --> 02:35:59,090
another look at at UFOs so that we do

3634
02:36:03,010 --> 02:36:00,770
have a better understanding of our world

3635
02:36:05,349 --> 02:36:03,020
in our universe and even if it doesn't

3636
02:36:07,809 --> 02:36:05,359
turn out to be spaceships people are

3637
02:36:09,630 --> 02:36:07,819
seeing something and we really should

3638
02:36:12,189 --> 02:36:09,640
know what it's all about

3639
02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:12,199
absolutely you see when we're off the

3640
02:36:16,450 --> 02:36:14,720
rare shows here that covers a lot of

3641
02:36:19,510 --> 02:36:16,460
UFOs where we don't take the position

3642
02:36:22,120 --> 02:36:19,520
necessarily that their spaceships it

3643
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:22,130
might be but you know there's a whole

3644
02:36:27,099 --> 02:36:24,880
bunch of complexities there we have

3645
02:36:30,639 --> 02:36:27,109
inconsistencies in terms of the shape

3646
02:36:32,410 --> 02:36:30,649
the size etc etc so if it were

3647
02:36:34,540 --> 02:36:32,420
spaceships does it mean they have all

3648
02:36:38,050 --> 02:36:34,550
sorts of different models have come down

3649
02:36:40,719 --> 02:36:38,060
here different civilizations I wouldn't

3650
02:36:42,309 --> 02:36:40,729
presume to know Chris rutkowski would

3651
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:42,319
you tell our listeners if they have more

3652
02:36:46,990 --> 02:36:44,210
information they need more information

3653
02:36:48,070 --> 02:36:47,000
or they have a sighting to report where

3654
02:36:51,820 --> 02:36:48,080
they can get a hold of you

3655
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:51,830
absolutely the survey the Canadian UFO

3656
02:36:57,939 --> 02:36:54,800
survey is available online at survey

3657
02:37:02,320 --> 02:36:57,949
Canadian UFO report com that surveyed

3658
02:37:05,370 --> 02:37:02,330
Canadian UFO report calm and to report

3659
02:37:09,160 --> 02:37:05,380
UFOs you can actually send it via email

3660
02:37:11,649 --> 02:37:09,170
at Canadian UFO report at hotmail.com

3661
02:37:15,130 --> 02:37:11,659
and you can see me on facebook on

3662
02:37:18,700 --> 02:37:15,140
twitter i'm ufology research on twitter

3663
02:37:21,189 --> 02:37:18,710
and there's a you know a host of ways in

3664
02:37:22,179 --> 02:37:21,199
which you can contact others to report

3665
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:22,189
your own sightings you know I've

3666
02:37:26,380 --> 02:37:24,560
mentioned Peter Davenport move on now if

3667
02:37:28,450 --> 02:37:26,390
you see something we won't be able to

3668
02:37:30,189 --> 02:37:28,460
get any closer to understanding the UFO

3669
02:37:33,219 --> 02:37:30,199
phenomenon unless you report what you've

3670
02:37:36,370 --> 02:37:33,229
seen so by gosh sakes report it Chris

3671
02:37:38,410 --> 02:37:36,380
the other Chris or Kay Kay as a great

3672
02:37:40,679 --> 02:37:38,420
new book out called stalking the herd

3673
02:37:43,149 --> 02:37:40,689
about the cattle mutilation phenomenon

3674
02:37:45,250 --> 02:37:43,159
appears to be taking off there to a

3675
02:37:48,760 --> 02:37:45,260
reasonable degree at Amazon books he's

3676
02:37:51,700 --> 02:37:48,770
in doing the book authors circuit but if

3677
02:37:53,800 --> 02:37:51,710
you want to buy a copy and have him

3678
02:37:55,131 --> 02:37:53,810
personally autograph that copy go to

3679
02:37:59,360 --> 02:37:55,141
stalking of the

3680
02:38:01,310 --> 02:37:59,370
calm that's stalking the herd calm that

3681
02:38:03,171 --> 02:38:01,320
also leads to his other site our strange

3682
02:38:05,990 --> 02:38:03,181
planet calm once again if you buy it

3683
02:38:07,990 --> 02:38:06,000
from Chris and not from Amazon where

3684
02:38:11,660 --> 02:38:08,000
they take you know at 4000 percent in

3685
02:38:13,970 --> 02:38:11,670
profit and Chris will be so grateful

3686
02:38:16,220 --> 02:38:13,980
he'll sign the book and my own publisher

3687
02:38:18,410 --> 02:38:16,230
would be yelling at me if I didn't point

3688
02:38:20,690 --> 02:38:18,420
out that I have a number of books there

3689
02:38:22,490 --> 02:38:20,700
you go you if there is well and if just

3690
02:38:25,190 --> 02:38:22,500
bill look for my name Chris Rutkowski on

3691
02:38:28,341 --> 02:38:25,200
Amazon and like most recent book is

3692
02:38:31,251 --> 02:38:28,351
called the big book of UFOs okay you can

3693
02:38:34,430 --> 02:38:31,261
find us on Twitter where we are at the

3694
02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:34,440
para cast on Twitter go to forum that

3695
02:38:39,440 --> 02:38:36,240
the para cast calm to check out the

3696
02:38:42,020 --> 02:38:39,450
forms pose questions for upcoming guests

3697
02:38:52,220 --> 02:38:42,030
Chris rutkowski thank you for joining us

3698
02:38:58,770 --> 02:38:55,740
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3699
02:39:01,640 --> 02:38:58,780
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3700
02:39:05,370 --> 02:39:01,650
presentation of making the impossible

3701
02:39:10,309 --> 02:39:05,380
Incorporated tune in next week for a new